Was having a look at the HFT rules at: http://www.ukahft.org.uk/Rules.htm and noticed the following rule:
1.5 Kneeling shots can be taken in any style with the exception that the supporting hand must be forward of the knee.
Just curious as to what sort of 'naughty advantage' is this to rule against? Does this also rule out the folded-arm-over-knee-with-rifle-resting-on-the-crook-of-the-arm position?
Why not ditch this rule is what I'm thinking. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->
Numb Nut
The folded arm over the knee is a typical 'SITTING' FT position.
There is NO sitting allowed in HFT.
Another favorite FT position is to have the left hand (RH shooters) resting on the front of the knee and the gun resting on the top of the hand. This is not allowed in HFT and as such the hand has to be forward of the knee.
HTH
Yup, I agree that is a typical FT position but its also possible to do while kneeling. Why rule it out? Is it because it looks 'too FT'? <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just curious as to what sort of 'naughty advantage' is this to rule against? Does this also rule out the folded-arm-over-knee-with-rifle-resting-on-the-crook-of-the-arm position? [/quote]
Unless you are a contortionist I fail to see how you can achieve that kneeling.
'The supporting hand must be forward of the knee' that means you cannot rest your wrist on the knee to give you more support.
The rules are there to stay and will not be changed, so it will not be 'ditched'.
As Boz points out there is NO sitting position in the HFT series
Nev
I think the idea was to make HFT a more 'simulated hunting' type event. As such, the more typical standing, kneeling and prone positions are encouraged. Similarly, standard guns with standard mag scopes can be used with great success at HFT. I know a lot of people will 'hunt' using all types of equipment and stances but the idea is to keep it basic.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Numb Nut:
Yup, I agree that is a typical FT position but its also possible to do while kneeling. Why rule it out? Is it because it looks 'too FT'? <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:
HFT is NOT FT and the rules are completely different.
Nev
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Why not ditch this rule is what I'm thinking. [/quote]
For the same reason that it's proscribed in FT competition also (in the kneeling position).
To differentiate it from the sitting position with the gun rested either directly on the knee or on a stable rest supported by the knee.
In HFT it becomes a variation of the sitting position, which is not used.
It's not likely to be ditched.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patterdalenev:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just curious as to what sort of 'naughty advantage' is this to rule against? Does this also rule out the folded-arm-over-knee-with-rifle-resting-on-the-crook-of-the-arm position? [/quote]
Unless you are a contortionist I fail to see how you can achieve that kneeling.
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I've either described it badly or am a contortionist! Its not too hard to do, especially when firing downwards as the knee doesn't need to come in as close to the body. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:
but the idea is to keep it basic....
....and appealing to everyone.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bozzerman:
but the idea is to keep it basic....
....and appealing to everyone.[/quote]
What I'm thinking is that having to judge whether someone has their hand rested on their knee or whether its their wrist on the knee can be hard to do (if they're wearing a glove for example). It'd be more basic if they just left that rule out...init?
I think the fear is, having seen FT 'evolve' over the last 20 years, that once compromises are made from the very basics that HFt will start going the same as FT.....special stocks to accomodate more stable holds.....high mag scopes with rangefinding, wind indicators, spirit levels, temp gauges etc
The idea is that anyone can turn up with a low budget set of kit, enjoy the course and if you can shoot well enough....have a good chance of scoring really well.
I do agree with your last comment and this is a fear of mine. People will always want to try and get an advantage and this rule will be abused where people will not rest their elbow on their knee but will have the wrist 1mm forward of the knee. The rules will be pushed to the limit and it's FT 2 here we come.......
[This message was edited by bozzerman on 16 November, 2003 at 23:01.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bozzerman:
I think the fear is, having seen FT 'evolve' over the last 20 years, that once compromises are made from the very basics that HFt will start going the same as FT.....special stocks to accomodate more stable holds.....high mag scopes with rangefinding, wind indicators, spirit levels, temp gauges etc
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I think you can eliminate those from HFT quite easily. No rangefinding other than by bracketing. No windicators, No spirit levels, No scope adjustments. Don't have a problem with temp gauges. Custom stocks are already allowed, how can you also rule out 'special stocks that accomodate more stable holds'?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
The idea is that anyone can turn up with a ow budget set of kit, enjoy the course and if you can shoot well enough....have a good chance of scoring really well.[/quote]
I think thats the reason why HFT will become way more popular than FT ever did. I'm all for it too. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:
Yep ....the stock thing is already a prob....
Custom stocks are allowed but add ons are not......???????
Custom stocks versus add-ons - that was my next comment... <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Big Grin" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:
<img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:
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