Changes to airgun law from 20th Jan. BASC press release.

[Chris (South Ronaldsay)]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doobin:
Just a question- say I was to take apart my take-down rifle, carry the barrel and cylinder to a farm first, and then make another trip carrying the action? I don't see that I would be actually carrying an air rifle, merely bits of it.[/quote]

I don't know. In the hyper unlikely event that you're caught, you could become the legal test case! <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Alternatively, if your farmer has a shed, you could keep your rifle there without even locking it up. There is no secure storage requirement for non FAC air rifles. As a matter of fact, you could buy a pallet of cheap Chinese air rifles and leave them scattered around the farm in full view of public footpaths etc. and AFAIK you wouldn't be breaking the law. That's unless you're in Scotland or NI.

[DonFripp]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by andy_scouser:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simon Clarke:
Owners of pistols or rifles, powered by a self-contained gas cartridge system, will have three months to apply for a firearm certificate if they wish to keep their guns. They will not have to demonstrate “good reason� for ownership, as is the case with other firearm certificate applications. _The new law does not ban airguns which use capsules of compressed carbon dioxide._
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What does this mean, gas-rams and PCP's now need a license, sub 12ft/lb ???[/quote]

I think the new FAC clause only applies to TAC's mate, Brocock owners beware! This will do nothing to reduce handgun crime in this country, just as the all out handgun ban didn't!

As for the banning of 14-17yr olds carrying an air rifle, ridiculus! Many law-abiding members of this forum may now give up airgunning, just down to the fact that their parents may not be able/willing to drive them to their shoot when they wish to go. A very sad day for airgunning.... <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:--> <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Don

[tommy6206]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just a question- say I was to take apart my take-down rifle, carry the barrel and cylinder to a farm first, and then make another trip carrying the action? I don't see that I would be actually carrying an air rifle, merely bits of it. [/quote]

No you cant because when it is on FAC the barrel alone is classed as a firearm so no

[Nev]

Why oh Why can't we have cut and dried laws so that everyone knows exactly what is going on, and that applies to the Police as well, as usual a total shambles.

It's about time someone in that pathetic excuse for a Government stood up and made sense, since these twerps got in there has been nothing but a load of cover ups and bans that have not made a 'ape of difference to the Criminal faternity, it's always the legit shooter that gets wacked as with the motorist and every other thing Blair wants, well I sick of it, if I want a Brocock pistol then up yours MR Blair I will have one, who the hell do you think you are....God .

Not that I want a Brocock but I am thoroughly p!ssed off with these twerps that think they can tell us what to do , I didn't vote for these dipsticks so I don't see why I should conform.

Sid for PM

At least we we have a sensible Government with Sid in power........right Mr Doe
Nev
(Fed up and thoroughly p!ssed off because I've got shingles and I'm on Bl00dy Prozac, NHS in tatters but we'll screw the easy targets such as the ordinary bloke and the Criminals, too hard to catch, and I wanted to go to the HFT shoot this weekend - Up Your Mr Blair)

[This message was edited by The Green Hornet on 09 January, 2004 at 21:56.]

[Doobin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> As for the banning of 14-17yr olds carrying an air rifle, ridiculus! Many law-abiding members of this forum may now give up airgunning, just down to the fact that their parents may not be able/willing to drive them to their shoot when they wish to go. A very sad day for airgunning.... [/quote]

I for one will not give up airgunning, as Tony Blair and his cronies would no doubt wish me to do.

I'll just find a way around this new law, and carry on shooting.

Why oh why did I buy only full length rifles? They're too long to hide properly!

Chris- if you think I'm leaving half a grands worth of kit in a draughty barn, you've got another think coming! <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_eek.gif" alt="Eek" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

Besides, I shoot for half a dozen local farmers- I need to be able to take my rifle(s) WHERE I want, WHEN I want.

[Doobin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I didn't vote for these dipsticks so I don't see why I should conform.
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Because the majority says so...

Whatever. Why the hell don't we have proportional representation?? It's the only FAIR democratic system.

[Rizla99]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They will not have to demonstrate “good reason� for ownership, as is the case with other firearm certificate applications. [/quote]

Does this mean that if I have a Brocock, I can obtain a FAC licence (without good reason) an buy other FAC rated rifles to use on the same licence ?
Or to put it another way, is this an easy way of obtaining a FAC licence ?

[Nev]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doobin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I didn't vote for these dipsticks so I don't see why I should conform.
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Because the majority says so...

Whatever. Why the hell don't we have proportional representation?? It's the only FAIR democratic system.[/quote]
Exactly......why is it the majority suffer and the minority get away with it.......as usual.

and the Majority can go and **** themselves as far as I'm concerned, all we do is pussy foot about and don't voice a stronger opinion to these berks and I don't believe that the majority say so , it's the prats in the Government and they are NOT the majority as far as I'm concerned.

This is not a fair Democracy and never will be while they are stuffed shirts in power who think they know better and treat us like children.

All the shooting organisations obviously have no teeth as far as fighting the government is concerned, what a suprise.

Bl00dy nanny state

Nev

[biggles]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rizla99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They will not have to demonstrate “good reason� for ownership, as is the case with other firearm certificate applications. [/quote]

Does this mean that if I have a Brocock, I can obtain a FAC licence (without good reason) an buy other FAC rated rifles to use on the same licence ?
Or to put it another way, is this an easy way of obtaining a FAC licence ?[/quote]

Fraid not <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_frown.gif" alt="Frown" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->.

I'd kinda hoped this would be case myself, but unfortunately the class/restriction of the 'special' Certificate being issued to cover the TAC/Brocock issue will NOT be open to amendment - whether for additional TACs, or for other firearms (inc. FAC rated air rifles). They are a one-off for currently held TAC guns, only open for issue during the 3 month 'grace' period commencing 20/1/04.

Biggles

[Chris (South Ronaldsay)]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tommy6206:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just a question- say I was to take apart my take-down rifle, carry the barrel and cylinder to a farm first, and then make another trip carrying the action? I don't see that I would be actually carrying an air rifle, merely bits of it. [/quote]

No you cant because when it is on FAC the barrel alone is classed as a firearm so no[/quote]

As I understand it, the air rifle concerned is not a Brocock and is not over 12ft/lb, so no component of it can be classed as certifiable - even after the new legislation. I think Doobin's question will require a test case to sort out.

Doobin, sorry about my previous post - I was trying to be 'ironic'. I appreciate you're in a rotten situation.

[Doobin]

Chris- that's OK, I had actually thought about leaving one of my springers and a tin of pellets at the farm nearest to my home, so at least I can still shoot when I want, although not where and with what I want.

Luckily I live in quite a rural area, and the sight of me carrying a gun case doesn't bother most people. I've only ever seen the police twice in two years whilst on my way to a shoot.

But still, Tony Blair, you are a w**nker. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_mad.gif" alt="Mad" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

This law is pointless. Sure, I recognise that some of you feel that it might prevent parents buying their children airguns so readily. But in my experience, parents will, with a bit of pestering, buy their kids a low-powered BB gun, but almost all will draw the line at a 12ft/lbs air rifle if they don't think their child will shoot safely.

And should a teenage yob happen to come into posession of an air rifle, and shoot a couple of cats, break some windows, etc, then THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THE DAMN BOOK THROWN AT THEM, NOT BE LET OFF WITH A SLAP ON THE WRIST!

I'll just think till I find a way around this... and to be quite honest, I dont CARE if I break/bend the law. It won't hurt others whatsoever.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not an arrogant case of 'one rule for everyone else, another rule for yourself'. As Nev said,

'I didn't vote for these dipsticks so I don't see why I should conform'

Except in my case, it'd be:

'As I'm 'underage', I couldn't, and WOULD NEVER vote for these dipsticks so I don't see why I should conform'


Simon Clarke, thanks anyway for your tremendous efforts in preventing a full scale ban of youngesters shooting. Which is no doubt what the to¢¢ers in Blair's bunch wanted- to make shooters an endangered species.

[mhainsworth]

More 'excellent' ideas from our friends in Westminster!!!

By making it difficult to start airgunning they hope it will die a natural death.

I notice in Shooing Times this week the Home Office is starting a 3 month "consultation" on a comprehensive firearms legislation review. The government want to simplify existing laws.

"so that those who are pro-gun, anti-gun and in the middle ground can put their views accross"

The recent shootings on Boxing day in Leeds (15 minutes away from me) have put gun crime at the top of the governments agenda.

Was this police officer shot with a legaly held licensed firearm?? NO

Will a review of existing laws stop gun crime?? NO

Would a total ban on firearms of ALL kinds (shotguns, pistols and rifles of all calibres) stop the rising tide of gun crime in this country?? NO

I agree there needs to be changes made ie. the infuriating ease that non license holders can buy the components to make ammunition, but that is all that needs to be tightened up NOT more prohibiting of the weapons themselves.

Let us hope that we can all have a say in this review and the likes of the BASC and accociates really start to flex their muscles to protect our fragile rights to firearms.

[Doobin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> By making it difficult to start airgunning they hope it will die a natural death. [/quote]

Exactly what I wanted to say, but couldn't think how to phrase it. <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll Eyes" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->

[Gnhouse]

If Simon Clark is still reading this I was wondering if he or anyone else could answer a question regarding Brococks and licencing.

As they are now going to be firearms and required to be licenced (how ever as stated the law is being flexed in such that you will not need to demonstrate "good reason") and stored as such, can we only use them on the ground stipulated by our certificates? Eg; if someone is a member of their local airgun club where they shoot their air rifles and their pistols they they will no longer be allowed to shoot the pistols there untill the land has been passed by the local firearms unit and added to their ticket? I can't see that many airgun clubs being inspected by the police or MOD as suitable target ranges for use with "firearms"
Meaning that they will only be able to shoot the pistols on said farms or other approved ground listed on their certificates?

This is a bit of a farce if your approved ground is miles away or unsuitable for use with pistols.

Or will the law be flexed in such a way as it already has been to allow shooters to use Brococks at their current airgun ranges?

Just a thought

Garrick

[Genius]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Green Hornet:
Why oh Why can't we have cut and dried laws so that everyone knows exactly what is going on
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because having vague laws allows the bending of them made easier and thus secure a conviction <img src="http://jsramsbottom.co.uk/bbs/e/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" width="15" height="15"><!--graemlin:-->