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    Umarex 850 Magnum

    Found this review on the net for a very underestimated gun..



    Umarex 850 Air Magnum
    It's been known for a long time that when CO2 is used as a propellant it is easily capable of producing power in an air rifle up to and beyond the 12ft/lb legal limit. In the past we've seen specialist companies which specifically made rifles that use this power source and were of a power suitable for hunting. However, now German CO2 power supremos and experts Umarex have created a mass-produced and highly affordable 12ft/lb CO2-powered rifle.

    Ergonomically synthetic

    The 850 AirMagnum sits in a black synthetic stock, has an ambidextrous cheekpiece and a ventilated thick rubber butt-pad. Both the slim pistol grip and more substantial fore-end have a generous amount of what can best be described as raised oval-shaped dots to aid grip. Though the rifle is called an AirMagnum, it's important to remember that the gun is powered by a removable and renewable 88-gram tank of CO2 (liquid gas) — or as it's
    best known, an 88g CO2 AirSource canister — housed and secreted from view by the fore-end.

    To access the inlet valve coupling to power- up, the front third section of the fore-end has
    to be removed. This is achieved by using the release catch found underneath the stock at
    the point where the jointed fore-end meets. The slotted push-in catch allows a firm thumb
    hold as you press inwards and push forward, whereupon the section easily releases to come away and be removed from the rifle. Don't be under the misconception that this could be a weak spot, as the stock at this position is thick- walled and, like the rest of the stock, is of
    very high quality ABS construction.

    When the end cap is removed, it reveals a cavity into which the AirSource tank screws. This is half-covered to the human eye, and when the front section is pushed back into its original position, where it is held securely by a clip-type catch, you wouldn't even know it was there if you hadn't fitted it in the first place. Incidentally, once you've screwed the canister into position, you should dry-fire the rifle in a safe direction, as you would with a low-power CO2 pistol, to ensure the canister is fully pierced and the CO2 is feeding through the inlet valve and all rifle internals correctly.

    Action and performance


    An ingenious and cleverly designed feature of this rifle is the action. Initially pushing forward the cocking bolt, after first cocking and loading, takes the magazine retaining catch forward to secure the manual removable eight-shot rotary magazine, probes a pellet into the breech and is extremely smooth in operation.

    To load, the “blacked” steel-cocking bolt is a generous, chunky size and needs to be lifted
    up from its original forward position and pulled fully rearward. This then locks in position and allows you to operate the magazine retainer, which is the lengthy, slim catch found directly behind the magazine on the right of the action. Once slid back, you can then easily pull the eight-shot rotary magazine from the left of the action. Incidentally, as soon as the cocking bolt is pulled fully rearward, you've also set the automatic safety, which is sensibly sited at the rear of the action block.

    To load the magazine, once removed, you load all eight empty chambers with the alloy centre boss facing you. Ensure all pellets are fully seated before refitting. Once loaded with pellets, which are held in place by a rubber “O” ring, replace the magazine back into the left of the action block, push the bolt forward and turn back down clockwise to its original position. This has now taken a pellet from the magazine, probed it into the breech and, due to the cleverly designed action, it also takes the magazine retaining catch forward so that everything is safe, solid and secure.


    Taking a shot


    At this stage, the T-bar-style automatic safety catch will still be protruding out from the rear of the action block, indicating the rifle is safe. The automatic trigger safety is sensibly sited at the rear of the action block (ideally positioned for operating with the thumb of the shooting hand). To disengage, you need to push down the primary safety, then you can push in the main safety catch to put the rifle into fire mode. This exposes a red dot on top of the action base-plate, indicating the rifle is now ready to fire. If you require, it can be manually re-set by pulling back with your thumb and forefinger.

    Once you take a shot and want another pellet in the tube, you simply lift and pull back the cocking bolt (the rifle is now cocked, the and automatic safety is back on), and simply cycle the action back — whereupon pellet number two is taken from the magazine, pushed into the breech and once again you're good to go. When you've shot the magazine empty, to remove it you pull back the cocking bolt, slide back the magazine retaining catch to remove the magazine and repeat the loading procedure.

    In your sights


    Though the rifle has a good pair of fibre optic open sights, which are easily capable of kill-zone accuracy from 12 to 15yards, the rifle has a scope rail for fitting a pair of optics and this is when the gun really begins to shine. For example, with a Walther 3 – 9 X 44AO IR Night Pro in high mounts, I'd zeroed at 25 yards and was soon making ragged ¼in
    groups at the set zero, shooting bench-rested.

    In skilled hands, the rifle is easily capable of kill-zone accuracy out to 35 yards and beyond — stunning performance for what is in effect such a leap forward in the design, function and availability of a CO2-powered air rifle for hunting. Even the single-trigger, though adjustable for length of travel, is crisp and cleanly sends the lead on its way with no discernable creep.

    Conclusion


    CO2 has certainly come of age and is now an extremely viable alternative for hunters looking for a rifle that has the benefits of a recoil-less PCP without the need to buy a diver's tank or go for re-fills. Considering you get approximately 140-plus full-power shots per 88g AirSource tank, it makes the gun very economical to run. Also, should you prefer, there is even an adaptor available that will let you run it from two 12g CO2 capsules. However, obviously, the larger-fill 88g tank is far more economical (only costing approximately £5 each), and I feel helps with the rifle's highly credible handling and balance.

    The 850 AirMagnum can also be fitted with a muzzle compensator, as used in this test, which keeps report to an acceptable level. However, such is the AirMagnum's popularity that custom houses, such as Sandwell Field Sports, are already creating special sound moderators to make this deadly accurate rifle equally deathly silent.

    To sum up, the Umarex 850 AirMagnum is mighty impressive, the accuracy is on a par with most conventional PCPs and it handles wonderfully. It's lightweight and is extremely cost effective. In fact, I'm already getting reports that pest controllers are using it for feral control, which is certainly a use I'll be putting the gun to before it has to go back.
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    http://www.shootingtimes.co.uk/gunte...le_101192.html

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    I have one in .177. The bolt is lovely to use. Read some posts on the net that people had trouble with jams but I have had no such problem. Real joy to use, I love bolt actions so this is great for me. Read the .22 is more powerful roughly 11.0 or so, my .177 is roughly 9.4ft/lb last time I checked.

    I took off the iron sights and fitted a webley pro system silencer. gives it that mean look. Front heavy with the gas fitted. Some guy in the US modded his to run off airbottle with paintball fittings.

    With a I piece mount and a nice scope it has that mean look. I get roughly 200 plus from one air bottle. It would be great as a PCP if there was a conversion and looking at the inside I dont see why not.

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    I like that...

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    Thumbs up

    Now then, I had a .22 airmagnum in realtree camo for about 2 months at the back end of last year. Awful experiance to be honest, I got rid pretty quickly.

    Good Points:

    Lightweight and well balanced.

    No recoil (but no differant to a pcp)

    Low maintenance stock (if thats an issue for you)

    Realtree camo is effective

    Bad Points:

    CO2 in a rifle behaves very differantly at differant temperatures, with massive differances in performance at only a few degrees differance in temperature. If at ambient or slightly warm temperatures it behaves just like a pcp in the same conditions. However, if the temperature drops it gets 'thicker' and almost turns into a solid which in turn affects the rifles performance massively = fundamental flaw.

    Sound Compensator is on a par with a starter pistol for muzzle crack, although you can buy better silencers now.

    Pellets easily fall out of the magazine, this means that when cocking and reloading you must keep the rifle level or slightly pointed down to the floor to prevent a pellet falling out and jamming the rifle.

    You cant leave a half full bottle of CO2 inside the rifle for anything more than a couple of weeks or so, it will rot the seals and cause leaks.

    You dont get anywhere near to the advertised amount of 'useable shots' from a single bottle of CO2.

    CO2 bottles cost more like £8 each not the £5 usually quoted in reviews.

    Summary

    If you want something to do a bit of plinking with then o.k (but for the same money you'd be better off with a lightning IMHO). For hunting however, IMHO it's just not a serious bit of kit for that purpose, it may look o.k but at the end of the day it's performance that matters isnt it?
    I sold mine and bought a used S200 (from this forum) and after many successful hunting trips and practice sessions have never looked back.

    In short = dont waste your money guys

    P.S just had a look at that 'pcp?' version, if they modified and fixed the mag problem then it may be a differant prospect perhaps. Looks like it still has the detachable bit at the forend though for some reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyjaimz View Post
    Now then, I had a .22 airmagnum in realtree camo for about 2 months at the back end of last year. Awful experiance to be honest, I got rid pretty quickly.

    Good Points:

    Lightweight and well balanced.

    No recoil (but no differant to a pcp)

    Low maintenance stock (if thats an issue for you)

    Realtree camo is effective

    Bad Points:

    CO2 in a rifle behaves very differantly at differant temperatures, with massive differances in performance at only a few degrees differance in temperature. If at ambient or slightly warm temperatures it behaves just like a pcp in the same conditions. However, if the temperature drops it gets 'thicker' and almost turns into a solid which in turn affects the rifles performance massively = fundamental flaw.

    Chroned my gun at various times and getting consistent power levels. Only really dropping off the the end. Also first couple of shots a bit low.

    Sound Compensator is on a par with a starter pistol for muzzle crack, although you can buy better silencers now.

    Agree, I fitted the webley pro sytem and works fine.

    Pellets easily fall out of the magazine, this means that when cocking and reloading you must keep the rifle level or slightly pointed down to the floor to prevent a pellet falling out and jamming the rifle.

    Never had this problem. Mine is a .177. Pellets sit tight in the 2 mags. Tried over 10 types of pellets so far, no problems.

    You cant leave a half full bottle of CO2 inside the rifle for anything more than a couple of weeks or so, it will rot the seals and cause leaks.

    Done this many times. Left the first capsule in for 6 months, no leaks. Seals all okay. Seals are an issue with all gas guns though.

    You dont get anywhere near to the advertised amount of 'useable shots' from a single bottle of CO2.


    In .177 I am getting approx 200 shots full power.

    CO2 bottles cost more like £8 each not the £5 usually quoted in reviews.

    Agree, Rip off prices. But I have seen them advertised for much cheaper but never in stock. £8 for 200 shots is fine for me. £0.04 per shot.

    Summary

    If you want something to do a bit of plinking with then o.k (but for the same money you'd be better off with a lightning IMHO). For hunting however, IMHO it's just not a serious bit of kit for that purpose, it may look o.k but at the end of the day it's performance that matters isnt it?
    I sold mine and bought a used S200 (from this forum) and after many successful hunting trips and practice sessions have never looked back.

    On the forum someone uses it for pest control on a golf course. Light hunting at short ranges is no problem for this gun.
    There is ALWAYS abetter gun out there for any task.

    In short = dont waste your money guys

    I would not say it was a waste of money. Itrs a lovely bolt action gun, easy to run and cheap. Has lots of the fun factor. For more serious tasks we buy other guns yes. But its not a waste of money.

    P.S just had a look at that 'pcp?' version, if they modified and fixed the mag problem then it may be a differant prospect perhaps. Looks like it still has the detachable bit at the forend though for some reason?
    The PCP version looks okay, dont like the foreend design but if it keeps the same bolt action and ease of use with pcp added then I may go for it.

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    It is possible to greatly reduce the cost of co2 without effecting power
    comes down from +/- 0.04p to +/- 0.018p

    Have a look at post #7 here >
    http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172636


    and if you want the co2 holder before purchasing the Paintball > Airsource adapter from SD,
    there's one for sale here >
    http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183673


    12 grm co2 cheapest by far here > (vat inc in their price)
    http://www.tyreinflators.co.uk/shop/...d&productId=11

    ALSO they've got an offer for cheap 88 grm Airsources

    HIH

    Pete.

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    Tyre infaltors is where I saw the cheap 88grms but they was out of stock then. Very cheap and makes it even cheaper. £0.04 a shot for me is dirt cheap, after all we live in the U.K. not the sahara.

    I was thinking of the paintabll thing but then I saw the PCP version was coming out.

    The nicest thing about this gun for me is the bolt action. It works lovely and very nice looking. I have a large scope on it that gives it a mean sniper look and it is very accurate for my needs.

    Thanks for the links

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