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    Bowkett Meteor (stripped, pics and questions)

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    In the mid 80's I was unleashed on an unsuspecting world with a BSA Meteor 'S' in Mk5 flavour. Over the next couple of years it was in pieces more often I care to remember, being polished and relubricated...... it was even 'treated' to an OX spring.

    Had I had the money it would have been sent to John Bowkett for his 12ftlb conversion which IIRC cost £25 plus a couple of quid for postage. It was eventually chopped in for an Airsporter and the conversion never happened, though I've looked for one ever since........

    Then one came up on here without a stock and it was mine!

    As is typical I shot it a couple of times, winced at the recoil and put it away as my FAC came through. I bit the bullet the other day, stuck a scope on it and took it to the club. It was bloody horrible! I haven't worried about breaking a scope for ages.

    Closer inspection revealed a breech seal made of cheese so it went away again and I ordered the bits.

    Today I dropped my Spitfire off with the man himself and dragged the old Meteor up for him to have a peer at for old times sake. Thus galvanised into action, I've stripped it down tonight to have a look-see.

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    .... and this is what I found..... the main bits, given that this is a small rifle with a reputation for doing 12ftlbs in .177 I was expecting a bit of preload, I wasn't wrong. A notched delrin bar and a sash cramp took care of the safety side of things and a rather odd looking spring and guide arrangement came out. At first I thought it was a square section spring, but it was just a thick layer of moly giving the impression of round being square. I had expected one of the custom guides that John used to sell, instead a section of spring has been wound into the spring on a standard guide, locking the spring to the guide. It can't twang as there isn't much chance of the guide touching the spring.

    Next out was the piston which has also been heavily modified with a new head, a thin plastic buffer and a square section seal. The piston is retained in the piston by a large threaded bar, which together with the ring that preloads the spring acts as a substantial piston weight.

    Inside the cylinder there is evidence of cross-hatch honing and what looks like a 45 deg angle applied to the transfer port.

    The spring spec on the beastie is as follows......

    Overall length = 240mm

    No. of coils = 30

    Inner diameter = 12.8mm - 0.5"

    Outer diameter = 19mm - 0.748"

    Wire diameter = 3mm - 0.118"

    Questions

    John reckons he's done 'hundreds' of these, anyone else out there got one?

    Any idea where the piston ring originates from? Does it look familiar to anyone?

    I will ask John, but thought I would share this here and hope that someone might know.

    Rich
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    At last the secrets of the 12 megaton Meteor! Thanks for posting this always wanted to know how it was done.

    There were also some Airsporters that he did which had very short springs and almost no recoil.

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    Thanks for that interesting info.

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    I look forward to trying out the finished article!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    At last the secrets of the 12 megaton Meteor! Thanks for posting this always wanted to know how it was done.

    There were also some Airsporters that he did which had very short springs and almost no recoil.
    You'll be glad to know it has a threaded breech bolt..
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    Fascinating. Thanks.
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    The spring spec on this is as follows......

    Overall length = 240mm

    Inner diameter = 12.8mm - 0.5"

    Outer diameter = 19mm - 0.748"

    Wire diameter = 3mm - 0.118"

    I'm guessing that the nearest thing to this off the shelf would be a Titan XS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightning22 View Post
    The spring spec on this is as follows......

    Overall length = 240mm

    Inner diameter = 12.8mm - 0.5"

    Outer diameter = 19mm - 0.748"

    Wire diameter = 3mm - 0.118"

    I'm guessing that the nearest thing to this off the shelf would be a Titan XS.

    Rich
    POK! could wind one up from those specs I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightning22 View Post
    .... and this is what I found..... the main bits, given that this is a small rifle with a reputation for doing 12ftlbs in .177 I was expecting a bit of preload, I wasn't wrong. A notched delrin bar and a sash cramp took care of the safety side of things and a rather odd looking spring and guide arrangement came out. At first I thought it was a square section spring, but it was just a thick layer of moly giving the impression of round being square. I had expected one of the custom guides that John used to sell, instead a section of spring has been wound into the spring on a standard guide, locking the spring to the guide. It can't twang as there isn't much chance of the guide touching the spring.
    That's not a deliberate mod, that's a broken spring tha's wound itself together. This, of course, explains the lack of pre-load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBuzz View Post
    That's not a deliberate mod, that's a broken spring tha's wound itself together. This, of course, explains the lack of pre-load.

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    Yep, it looks like a it's had the Twangsnap autotune mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsing-ee View Post
    Yep, it looks like a it's had the Twangsnap autotune mod.
    I was about to say exactly that too LOL

    I recently stripped a Jackal with the same snapped spring wound inside itself "mod"

    The full length of the spring is the two bits added together

    Matty

    P.s. I have just sold a MK 5 Super-Meteor that I tuned myself with polished spring ends, acetal tophat, delrin spring guide etc. to a local chap in the village. I chronod it at 11.1 ft lb with H&N FTT just before I passed it over - he absolutely loves it It's running standard spec piston head and OEM spring
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    I have just supplied Alistair with a piston head which I had lathed away at the front in a similar (but not quite so extreme) way to JB's one.

    I look forward to hearing from him that he has gained 2 ft lb overnight using this modded item

    I had 2 made but never got round to fitting them


    I now only have 2 x MK 1 and 1 x MK 2 meteor left so I was not going to use them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyBoy View Post
    I have just supplied Alistair with a piston head which I had lathed away at the front in a similar (but not quite so extreme) way to JB's one.

    I look forward to hearing from him that he has gained 2 ft lb overnight using this modded item

    I had 2 made but never got round to fitting them


    I now only have 2 x MK 1 and 1 x MK 2 meteor left so I was not going to use them.



    Matty
    Well, I'm going to leave the buffer washer out so anything is possible! I'm tweaking the 'tricky' .177 calibre for this Meteor conversion. I'm aiming for 10.5 and pleasant shooting, if I can get 10.8 then I will be crazy with joy. Taking the rolled & wrapped early model Meteors to 12 ft/lbs in .177 is just wrong but Bowkett was pushing the envelope in those days.

    BTW I will post the Rowan trigger in the morning, had a problem with the deep fried Mars Bars that got in the way of the post office (St Andrews Night) today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBuzz View Post
    That's not a deliberate mod, that's a broken spring tha's wound itself together. This, of course, explains the lack of pre-load.

    ATB

    Richard
    Yep I've seen this on a few lightnings & my 635 magnum when I first bought it, thanks for taking the time to post the pics, very interesting, as for replacing the square section seal try contacting bigtoe he might be able to help you find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightning22 View Post

    The spring spec on the beastie is as follows......

    Overall length = 240mm

    No. of coils = 30

    Inner diameter = 12.8mm - 0.5"

    Outer diameter = 19mm - 0.748"

    Wire diameter = 3mm - 0.118"
    Are you sure the second spring isn't just the last few coils broke off the original? It's fairly common and the reason some guns gradually lose power over time as the two springs wind one into the other reducing OAL and pre-load. Figure out the true OAL and coil count (and your guide OD), I'll see if I can get one made this month as I have an order pending.

    EDIT: should have read entire thread.
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