Thanks Pietre. I do take FT quite seriously I shoot most Grand prix,s and Winter leagues, I also shoot the European Championships and the World Championships when possible. I have made some special Long Range Target boards up at work, they are 600x400mm, some with 40mm squares and some with 1 inch squares. I am shooting a GP this weekend but will try to do more tests shortly then get some pics of my groups. Regards. Neil.