Zeiss Diavari V 6-24x72* illuminated rifle scope

[Ballie]

The only guy I know of who has owned one of the x72 Zeiss scopes (Tony Price, he of Sporting Gun magazine), actually ditched the big Zeiss in favour of a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x56 for foxing use.

I have the 6-24x56 Zeiss, and it simply cannot be beaten in low light.

Hi Alex, I currently own a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x56 and although it’s a lovely scope and I love it during the day light at night with a lamp it just does not let enough light in IMO.

I am looking for a replacement and the 6-24x56 Zeiss is the one that keeps being recommended. Can I ask on average what sort of mag can you use when out lamping (I realise the power and the maker of the lamp, whether using a coloured filter or not, brightness of the moon and the range are all factors to be considered) but let’s say an average night with red filter at 200 yards. Also what reticle do you use? And finally I am trying to get someone to allow me to have a look though one at night/with lamp before I buy one, Dunmow isn’t that far from me would you let me to look though it?

[Alex_W]

Ballie, I'd happily let you take a look through the Zeiss, but you'll have to bear with me for some weeks (it requires me fetching the scope and rifle from Scotland). Next time I am up there I will bring it back to Essex. My new Zeiss has the No 60 ret. I toom Robert Bucknell's advice and run all scopes on 9x for scouting for foxes, and then zoom in to about 12-14x if I need it. I don't take long shots under the lamp that require more mag. I use either white or amber-filtered light off a Lightforce 170 with 100w bulb.

I can offer you a peek through the Swarovski PV 6-24x50 that I have down here at present, but it is a common (but bl**dy good) scope.

[Ballie]

Thanks Alex, I am pretty keen to have a look through one ASAP so I think I might just go ahead and order one mail order that way if I don't like it then I can just send it back for a full refund, the postage for doing this will be cheaper than going to Dunmow and back!

But thanks again for your help.

[foxy]

Thanks Alex, I am pretty keen to have a look through one ASAP so I think I might just go ahead and order one mail order that way if I don't like it then I can just send it back for a full refund, the postage for doing this will be cheaper than going to Dunmow and back!

But thanks again for your help.

I was going to say that i have just taken on a Zeiss agency and might be able to help but i will not sell a scope to anyone ecpecting to return it after mounting on a rifle . Incidentaly if the packaging is opened on a Night force scope it cannot be returned to the importer and so please be carefull before ordering. You may offend or get upset at the responc you get from a dealer
Foxy

[Ballie]

I was going to say that i have just taken on a Zeiss agency and might be able to help but i will not sell a scope to anyone ecpecting to return it after mounting on a rifle . Incidentaly if the packaging is opened on a Night force scope it cannot be returned to the importer and so please be carefull before ordering. You may offend or get upset at the responc you get from a dealer
Foxy

Foxy, as a retailer (which I presume you are) surely you are aware of the consumer credit act. The law states that ANYONE buying something over the internet i.e. the consumer has been unable to view the goods before purchase, has the legal write to return those goods if for some reason they are not happy with them.

I ask that you credit me with a bit of common decency if I was to buy a Zeiss scope from which ever retailer I choose, I would have NO intention on mounting it on a rifle and using it unless I was going to keep it (I never said I was intending on mounting it)

My intention would be to buy one carefully open the box carefully take the scope out and have a look through it with someone else holding a lamp, if I don't like it then it WILL be returned to the retailer in the exact same condition it was sent to me in and I WILL receive a full refund.

[lionel]

I was going to keep it (I never said I was intending on mounting it)

My intention would be to buy one carefully open the box carefully take the scope out and have a look through it with someone else holding a lamp, if I don't like it then it WILL be returned to the retailer in the exact same condition it was sent to me in and I WILL receive a full refund.

Legally, I'd say you are quite right, but if any particular retailer gets the feeling that you're using the consumer credit act just to help you browse, they may become a little wary of doing business with you in the future.

[nice one]

you cant get blood from a stone

[Ballie]

Legally, I'd say you are quite right, but if any particular retailer gets the feeling that you're using the consumer credit act just to help you browse, they may become a little wary of doing business with you in the future.

Yes, I agree but the law is the law and there isn’t a retailer in the UK that could legally support a refusal for a full refund on something you are returning that you’ve purchased without even seeing i.e. mail order or internet.

However in this current recession I bet there are a few retails that would be only too willing to agree to sell you a £1,300 scope on the bases that you might return it in the same condition as it left them, if it’s not to your liking, at least that way they have a 50% chance of a sale.

Buying something mail order so that you can have a look at it and then deciding whether to keep it or not is no different to looking at it in the shop, the only difference is that you are looking at it in your own home and not on the shops premises. Almost the entire population do this (Freemans, Kays etc, etc) most of the time you end up keeping what you ordered but sometimes you return things, the only looser in this case is you because you end up paying two lots of postage but sometimes this is still cheaper and more convenient than driving to the shop and back.

Opening a box and looking at something is exactly that whether it’s in the shop or at your home makes no difference.

[jeffk]

Foxy, as a retailer (which I presume you are) surely you are aware of the consumer credit act. The law states that ANYONE buying something over the internet i.e. the consumer has been unable to view the goods before purchase, has the legal write to return those goods if for some reason they are not happy with them.

Actually, that's the distance selling regulations, and they do require the goods returned to be unused and in saleable condition - even though you've said you're not going to mount the scope on a rifle, I'm guessing some would and that (If it causes any marks at all) means a refund could be refused...as could damaged packaging if the goods can't be resold as new.

Any protection under the CCA only applies if you buy via CC, whereas the distance selling regs apply to any mail order transaction.

[Ballie]

Actually, that's the distance selling regulations

Thanks jeffk, I knew we had some rights just got mixed up.

Just to clarify to anyone else reading this, goods cannot be used and then returned, that would clearly be ethically and morally wrong.

I hope to hear from Marky610 soon then after looking at his I will know if I want one anyway.