Ballie, I'd happily let you take a look through the Zeiss, but you'll have to bear with me for some weeks (it requires me fetching the scope and rifle from Scotland). Next time I am up there I will bring it back to Essex. My new Zeiss has the No 60 ret. I toom Robert Bucknell's advice and run all scopes on 9x for scouting for foxes, and then zoom in to about 12-14x if I need it. I don't take long shots under the lamp that require more mag. I use either white or amber-filtered light off a Lightforce 170 with 100w bulb.

I can offer you a peek through the Swarovski PV 6-24x50 that I have down here at present, but it is a common (but bl**dy good) scope.