long range pistol

[Lou]

well there you go. I will have to do it to order. you cant argue with that.
To those in Matlock who shoot, do you remember Bill Parr (great fellow) and his club on the Via Gellia, Cromford? Well I used to do well in a lot of the comps there, including the Parker Hale Show, when I won a new 32 Mag Smith and Wesson against all comers.
Read "Fast and Fancy Pistol Shooting " by Ed McGivern and you will see that amazing feats have been achieved with handguns, as far back as "Buffalo Bill"
Its sad that you cant believe that someone can hit a card at 50 yds when Ed could hit two x 2inch blocks thrown at the same time in the air with a revolver.

If you dont push it you will never get anywhere.
Ed said "The guns can do it"

[jo-1219]

Hi lou, i would love to see the shots, get your mate to put the film on you tube. i'm a bit of a newbie, couldn't hit a barn door at that range... BUT I've just got a daystate mk3 from 'I need a lazer '(mick. top bloke) step up from the supersport and hope to get better groups soon. any tips?

[Jim McArthur]

well there you go. I will have to do it to order. you cant argue with that.
To those in Matlock who shoot, do you remember Bill Parr (great fellow) and his club on the Via Gellia, Cromford? Well I used to do well in a lot of the comps there, including the Parker Hale Show, when I won a new 32 Mag Smith and Wesson against all comers.

Lou, since you mentioned the .32 mag: what is your opinion of the .32 S&W long, vs. the .38 special, for accuracy?

Jim

[Lou]

The 32mag has amazing potential for accuracy but as a serious shooter one has to handload ammo and thats where the problem starts.
Because of all the smaller dimensions, any discrepancy is amplified. ie if you seat the bullet a few thousands of an inch deeper the pressure will be lots higher. Even using fine powder (Vhightavori) its hard to keep the measures accurate even with a Dillon measure. With 357/38 its far more forgiving because the volumes are twice the size.
However, having said all of that, if you could load it with the right load, then 32mag is as good as 22RF for accuracy and has a similar recoil. For long distance, imagine (say) an 8"" S&W with a good 32mag, Wow. It could beat 38.
I did give up on it though because 38/357 is much easier to load.
(PS. someone will shout at us now for discussing firearms in the airgun forum)
If 32 magnum had been around then, Ed would have used it for fast shooting.
Imagine the difference in the weight and travel of the cylinder!

[Lou]

Sorry, for all the above reasons 32 long is hopeless except for factory ammo at short range

[darren m]

hi all -- just to confirm lou is a crack shot with the pistol , and i and many others at the range are amazed at his ability to out shoot the rest of us who are using scoped precharged and springer air rifles .
seen him shoot the playing card side on at 50 metres ( outdoor range ) several times now , and would,nt have beleaved it if i had,nt seen him do it .

would also like to add , lou does,nt hunt quarry etc , a target shooter thru n thru and would never take an unsafe or stupid shot .

love to see some one challenge him to a shoot off with HW45's .

phil - see you sunday , bring your digi-cam .

Darren .

[Lou]

Right!!!!!! Mr "brucieboy" has criticised my shooting publicly.
He thinks that seeing a playing card at 50 yds end on is impossible?
He says that a human can't even see that far!
There are a lot of BBS members plus a lot of club members who have watched me do this, I didn't write to the BBs about it, yet now I have had to agree to do it in front of an airgun magazine journalist to prove tht I can do it.
I was simply enjoying my shooting. The other club members put it on the BBS. A lot of people were happy to accept what I did, including Hans Wheirauch himself! and Jim McArthur of New Orleans (thank G
od someone who seems to understand what its all about)
Now that you have given me grief, I want to know publicly what your shooting credentials are. You say.....
" I thought i had heard just about everything in my time but this certainly tops all.A playing card,edge on at 50 metres!,less than half a millimetre thick!.It can't even be seen at that range. Now come on,tell us it was placed edge on, on top of a block about 150mm square to give an aiming point first,so you know more or less where it is,and then you would hit it eventually after enough shots,maybe.This kind of talk just encourages irresponsible shooting by the more impressionable amongst us."
Then you say
"you mean you can see the post!!,i defy any human to see .5 of a millimetre at 50 metres,unaided.It encourages people to shoot beyond their ability and beyond the range of there pistol/rifle, by reading such claims they imagine they can also do it."
Then you say
"All i said is it's a small target at a long range,the equivalent of a 50mm disc at 5 kilometres,and i stand in awe at any-one with that kind of eyesight."

Do you mean that if I claim to be able to run a mile in one minute, then I am claiming to run fifty miles in fifty minutes? Thats interesting maths.
How do you know that what I have done is not possible? Please explain.
I would like you to tell us all about your shooting credentials, what you think is reasonable for an air pistol, how you come by these ideas. What your achievements are.
Thats a fair question isnt it?

[Terry D]

Here's an idea; seeing that Lou is a highly-respected chap, a renowned pistol shooter, and his feat of hitting a playing card, edge-on at the range stated has been witnessed by quite a few people - shall we refrain from any disparaging comments, at least until after the 'official' demonstration?

Yes, that's what we'll do. And I'll close this thread until then.

All in favour say 'aye'.

Motion carried.