long range pistol

[brucieboy]

I would'nt call any-one i don't know a liar,i never even suggested such a thing,and apologise if that is how you took it.
All i said is it's a small target at a long range,the equivalent of a 50mm disc at 5 kilometres,and i stand in awe at any-one with that kind of eyesight.

[Lou]

OK fair enough. Lets calm down (I am a Liverpudlian by the way, we do get excitable)
I assure you that I can see that far but I must also point out that I am sixty years of age and have shot pistol for Nottinghamshire county team for years (have the badge) until it was all banned.
I do shoot at the card, but for all pistol shooters, I have to focus on the card and then the sights alternately because I cant focus on both simultaniously.
What you have to do is hold the gun really steady and adjust to the aim point, so that finally when you take the shot you are focussed on the sights, instinctively knowing you are over the card. Thats why its best without any backing to the target to cause interference from the light. As you know when its bright the aim point can look enormous under the bull on a white card.

However Darren M. Mad dogman. Blackpowder and a lot of other shooters are witnesses to these shots. Phil Bulmer is thinking of writing a "Hit and Myth" about it. Please ask them what they think. It was Blackpowder who started this thread....

[Phil Bulmer]

Phil Bulmer is thinking of writing a "Hit and Myth" about it.

Hi all,

Nice to see we are all calm and collected. It's interesting to see how text can lack internation and folk can get the wrong impression. Meanwhile.......

Next week I'll bring my camera to the club and see this for myself. For the benefit of casual observers, Lou is a crackshot with his HW45. I've seen him demolishing all sorts of stuff at 50 yards, including cherry tomatoes and playing cards face on. The end-on playing card trick is a big ask, but I'm sure it's possible.

Next week will settle it, I'll stand as an independent witness. If anyone is a betting man I'd suggest good odds that Lou can indeed do this.

Cheers,


Phil

[Lou]

well there you go. I will have to do it to order. you cant argue with that.
To those in Matlock who shoot, do you remember Bill Parr (great fellow) and his club on the Via Gellia, Cromford? Well I used to do well in a lot of the comps there, including the Parker Hale Show, when I won a new 32 Mag Smith and Wesson against all comers.
Read "Fast and Fancy Pistol Shooting " by Ed McGivern and you will see that amazing feats have been achieved with handguns, as far back as "Buffalo Bill"
Its sad that you cant believe that someone can hit a card at 50 yds when Ed could hit two x 2inch blocks thrown at the same time in the air with a revolver.

If you dont push it you will never get anywhere.
Ed said "The guns can do it"

[jo-1219]

Hi lou, i would love to see the shots, get your mate to put the film on you tube. i'm a bit of a newbie, couldn't hit a barn door at that range... BUT I've just got a daystate mk3 from 'I need a lazer '(mick. top bloke) step up from the supersport and hope to get better groups soon. any tips?

[Jim McArthur]

well there you go. I will have to do it to order. you cant argue with that.
To those in Matlock who shoot, do you remember Bill Parr (great fellow) and his club on the Via Gellia, Cromford? Well I used to do well in a lot of the comps there, including the Parker Hale Show, when I won a new 32 Mag Smith and Wesson against all comers.

Lou, since you mentioned the .32 mag: what is your opinion of the .32 S&W long, vs. the .38 special, for accuracy?

Jim

[Lou]

The 32mag has amazing potential for accuracy but as a serious shooter one has to handload ammo and thats where the problem starts.
Because of all the smaller dimensions, any discrepancy is amplified. ie if you seat the bullet a few thousands of an inch deeper the pressure will be lots higher. Even using fine powder (Vhightavori) its hard to keep the measures accurate even with a Dillon measure. With 357/38 its far more forgiving because the volumes are twice the size.
However, having said all of that, if you could load it with the right load, then 32mag is as good as 22RF for accuracy and has a similar recoil. For long distance, imagine (say) an 8"" S&W with a good 32mag, Wow. It could beat 38.
I did give up on it though because 38/357 is much easier to load.
(PS. someone will shout at us now for discussing firearms in the airgun forum)
If 32 magnum had been around then, Ed would have used it for fast shooting.
Imagine the difference in the weight and travel of the cylinder!

[Lou]

Sorry, for all the above reasons 32 long is hopeless except for factory ammo at short range