Does anybody use or have used one before etc?
I'm looking for a FAC rifle and would be interested in one.
If anybody could give me some information on these rifles i would really appreciate it!
i have one of these rifles (.22) with a walnut stock, and have to say i'm quite pleased with it.
you should get about 30 shots @30ftlb'ish, if charged to 190 bar.
The only downsides i can see are the low'ish number of shots (but whats the alternative? 300 quid more on a rapid?), and the fact it is a bit on the long side (i think it's 4 inches longer than a standard S410).
This extra length can make the gun feel slightly front end heavy, and it's no lightweight by any means (compared to a carbine FX with wlanut stock stock that i did have).
I've tried various pellets through it, Bisley mags, baracuda match and a few others, but have currently settled for AA field.
These seem to give the best grouping, but this might just be that the barrel was just run in using the other slugs.
Grouping is quite good, managing around 10 pellets in just over an inch at 65 yards, provided i've had some practice first....
Where in wiltshire are you??
I had an S400E and now have an S400 Classic FAC. I prefer the Classic to the "E" as the 4" shorter Classic handles much better. They both give the same # of shots and the Classic only gives up a few FPE to the Extra.
I USE ONE AND LIKE THE REST OF YOU IT IS A BIT LONG BUT IT IS A VERY GOOD RIFLE I HAD SOME CUSTOM WORK ON THE STOCK
THE AA FIELDS ARE GOOD BUT THE DAYSTATES ARE BETTER
DONT THICK YOU ARE GOING TO KILL RABBITS OUT TO 80 YRDS
AS THEY ARE GOOD BUT NOT THAT GOOD WHEN YOU GO FOR YOUR FAC PUT A RIMFIRE ON AS WELL
CHEERS AND GOOD HUNTING JEZZA
My brother-in-law and myself have both got the 410E
Although it has a sound moderator on it we have fitted an additional Webley-Pro moderator which seems to reduce the sound at 40-60 yards. After shooting a rabbit at 40+ yards we quite often get another shot at another rabbit near the first one, this is due to the reduction in sound at the target.
The gun is very solid and gets quite heavy after a while.
We used a chrono on both rifles to try to understand the power curve as we found that if we pumped up to 200bar and zeroed we were having to adjust zero as the pressure decreased and the power increased.
We found after using the chrono and shooting 100 shots through each gun as the pressure decreased from 200 bar down to 55 bar that the optimum power band was from 175bar down to 105bar when 30-35 shots were consistantly 30ft lLbs + using Bisley mags.
We both find the guns solid and well made. After a jolly they are very easy to strip for cleaning (one allen bolt) and wiping down.
We found the magazines a little flimsy in design and always carry a spare. There is a full metal magazine available from the US if required.
We both use the rifles on numerous vermin control shoots and have found them reliable and hard wearing. Once you accept the 30-35shot power band we dont feel the extra cash that would be needed for a rifle to provide more shots, valve adjustment, and a more consistant power band would be justified (Rapid etc.)
At the end of the day it is a matter of individual choice and the gun must suit you
I would suggest that before you purchase one you at least pick one up to get the "feel" for it because as the earlier posting said they are quite heavy.
Maxwell, a secondhand Rapid Mk1 FAC will go for about £350.
Nothing comes close !
If you do do for the 400, get the Classic - Extra is too long / unbalanced, and doesn't have the transfer port adjsuter to enable you to get a sensible power curve out of it...
If you are shooting AA Fields high-20s (foot-pounds) is perfect at FAC. For long range with Bismags, then high 30's is great.
Much more than about 45 FP and you are better of with a rimmy, as air is just too noisy and innefficient (All IMHO, of course ; ))
HTH - JB
Buddyboy put it perfectly.
Air is great to no more than 40 ftlbs and then it becomes rather silly and the RF is better.
Frankly most shooters will do very nicely with 25-28 ftlbs with AA Field weight pellets.
Zero at 40 yards and shoots within an inch or so from 10 to 50 yards and hits pretty hard at all those ranges.
IF you are good enough to shoot further - say 60-70 yards then by all means go for 35+ with Bis Mags but the extra 10-20 yards is costing you a fair bit of air.
I would get the Classic and adjust it to 25ftlbs wih AA Fields test a couple of fills over the chrono and see where the flat point is.
As to exactly how many FPS variation you need to worry about I would say that for 50 yards shooting +/- 20fps from the mid-point of the curve will be fine for bunny bashing.
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