The League Against Cruel Sports.......

[Mike2]

An item in the Times Educational Supplement of 14th Dec 2007 tells how target shooting has positive benefits for schools, teachers and pupils; at least that was the intent until the Times an anti-gun slant on it by getting a quote from the League Against Cruel Sports !!!

For example "There's not a shred of evidence that giving pupils access to guns makes them more responsible citizens." Which of course the LACS would know, being experts in education and shooting.....

SO - it's now clear - the LACS is anti ANY form of shooting - so they protect paper targets and clay pigeons as well.

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[manxteddy]

Fundamentalists exist in all walks of life.
Beware of fundementalists for they know not the middle way
It seems that no matter how we present shooting sports someone will always equate them with violence, subversion or general lawlessness.
Now that reminds me of an anti-organisation just I read about
The media always look for a good story and don't let the facts get in the way, the more they can stir up arguments the more copy they can sell.
We can hopefully believe that the vast majority of citizens and government listen to reason.....sometimes
Graham

[Hsing-ee]

For example "There's not a shred of evidence that giving pupils access to guns makes them more responsible citizens." Which of course the LACS would know, being experts in education and shooting.....

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I don't think that is true at all. If they become involved in the shooting sports I think that they will be in a category of the population that has a substantially lower chance of being convicted of a criminal offence than the average. I think this can be proved with stats too.

[Mike2]

Hsing-ee

don't let the facts get in the way

from manxteddy

Says it all, but you might expect better from an educational supplement.

However, if we wnt to have acceptance, we must also work from the grass-roots upwards. The more pepole we encourage into our sport, and the more people we tell how great it is - the more chance they will argue our cause.

If there are enough people with knowledge of the shooting sports then attitudes will change - in fact, they ARE changing in the UK already, but we need to do MUCH more.

[derekm]

For example "There's not a shred of evidence that giving pupils access to guns makes them more responsible citizens." Which of course the LACS would know, being experts in education and shooting.....

This may well be a perfectly true statement, but it has been spun to suit LACS.

Equally true is the statement some time ago by a Minister of Transport, when asked by Chief Police Officers to increase the speed limit on motorways to 80mph
"We have decided not to increase the speed limit, as it could produce an increase in accidents."
It is equally correct to state that it could also cause a decrease in accidents, (which was the probable reason for the professionals to suggest the increase in the first place).

In the absence of a formal study, there will be no evidence, for or against anything, so these technically true statements, whilst giving a first glance impression of authority and knowledge, are totally worthless, except to the people applying the spin.

[manxteddy]

THE BEST COMEBACK LINE for 2007...





For those that don't know him, Major General Peter Cosgrove is an "Australian treasure!"

General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently. You'll love his reply to the lady who

interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws

you gotta love this! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of an ABC

interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a

Boy Scout Troop visiting his military headquarters.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

GENERAL COSGROVE:

We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?

GENERAL COSGROVE:

I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

GENERAL COSGROVE:

I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER:

But you're equipping them to become violent killers.

GENERAL COSGROVE:

Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

The radio went silent and the interview ended

[derekm]

Absolutely brilliant! We need more of this, because there is far too much one sided spin around, stating apparently true "facts".

[Mike2]

Derekm,

Thanks for the compliment !

It was my wife Mary who addressed the All party group.

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[derekm]

No probs. Mike. I admit to verbally shooting from the hip, sometimes very impulsively, but I like to think I get it about right sometimes!

[manxteddy]

Hi Derekm
Merry Christmas to you.
How's the pistol shooting going ?
I hope to get back to using my Aeron B96 over the holiday and have been think about getting a mount and reflex sight .
Graham

[derekm]

Happy Christmas to you too, Graham.
Pistol shooting is up & down! I was averaging 88/89 with the Alfa, then turned a few screws (as you do) and am now gradually working my way back up through 86!! Trying to get more proficient with the Baikal now, for this comp. It would be nice to be able to beat a couple of pneumatics with a wild springer!