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[nibbley-uk]

What do you do in the following situation?

You're shooting with a lad who's used to shooting FT style and is with his dad (who's not shooting) and he sticks a foot and a half of shooting cushion under his knee, shin and ankle. It's clearly breaking the UKAHFT rules as regards shooting cushions being knee protection only.

In addition Dad is coaching said lad. Not in terms of shot post-mortem but before each peg.

You point out the kneeling cushion thing in a friendly "Don't want you to lose any points for this mate" kind of way (the coaching is unsporting but not in the rules so...) and both lad and his dad tell you basically you're wrong (because there's a tiny glimmer of light at the ankle where there's somethig like 1mm of clearance ). Nobody backs you up. You offer to call a marshal and you're derided by everybody on your peg.

This happened on the first shoot of a double header and so because of the atmosphere the weekend was spoiled for me.

You know what, unless someone is unequivocally cheating I'm not going to intervene anymore.

The UKAHFT is on this as it is mentioned at the safety brief and the marshals carry a pic of the do's and dont's of kneelling so this should not happen.

[Weevie]

The UKAHFT is on this as it is mentioned at the safety brief and the marshals carry a pic of the do's and dont's of kneelling so this should not happen.

That's all very well, but if nobody in your shooting group wants you to call a marshal and clearly indicates their impatience with your views then what do you do? This was a double header. I was going to be shooting with these guys the next day too!

[jay.t]

i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.

[nibbley-uk]

i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.

Not everyone likes using a cushion but as they are allowed everyone has the choice to use one, they are only there to make the shot more comfy not easier as long as the rules are stuck to.

[Acenorth.]

With regards to the kneeling I think it should be the proper 3 point kneeling...

Flat foot, knee and toe.

Sitting on a turned foot is a no no but I also think that shooting on a flattened foot is also deemed as being the same. Also using the bean bag to support the shin in this kneeling position is wrong and should not be tolerated.

This is my opinion and not that of the UKAHFT.

[Abes]

Has anyone got some pics of the right way for all stances as have always been a little confused and dont do comps at the moment but if i did would at least like to know iam doing it right

[sparky]

Has anyone got some pics of the right way for all stances as have always been a little confused and dont do comps at the moment but if i did would at least like to know iam doing it right

http://www.ukahft.co.uk/2008/rules.htm

Pete

[Snapshot]

Pics are on the UKAHFT web site.

Jonathan

[Pete_Shearer]

We have similiar problems in our FT club. The most frustrating thing we see is that a number of so-called 'A' graders neglect to submit their card at the end of the shot if their score in not within 'A' grade.
The only people their kidding is themselves, their reputation is pretty bad from the less immortals of the Bs and Cs who quite honestly do not look up to them at all. To hear them bragging about scores, courses too easy etc etc and then when they fail to perform ditch their scorecards is a joke.
At least the crowd I shot with are honest, bad shoot bad card still goes in.

[rayowl]

The rule are the rules, if they are not clear then thats another matter but we must all accept them before we start the comp so that it really, with the possible exception of newbies who should be assisted, not by a handicap but put with an experienced competitor who would point out when they are not touching the peg or the trigger is over the firing line etc not wait until they have done these things then deduct the points.........I have seen this and the chap in question was not doning very well so he posed no threat to the deductee, all of which made it worse IMHO.
ATB
Tony

[Herx77]

i've seen this with the cushion under the knee, imo it's an unfair advantage to the shooter, i don't carry one to put my gun on because i have a sling fitted, is it to simple to say ; no kneeling on cushions,for resting guns on only;
wear a kneepad if you so wish, level playing field for all then.

No cushions unless for medical reasons.
If this is causing problems remove it at source..no problem..solved.
HERX77 .

[nibbley-uk]

That's all very well, but if nobody in your shooting group wants you to call a marshal and clearly indicates their impatience with your views then what do you do? This was a double header. I was going to be shooting with these guys the next day too!

That is why i started this thread not as to name names but give some FAQ and hope everyone gets some answers so that problems like this can be addressed.
On your way round the course you will see marshals so without calling one you will be able to put these people straight then on the 2nd day if no changes were made point the errors out again and if they still continue a few zeros to their card may make them sit up and listen.