well Ive done it john paul, shot 50 rounds this morning absolute magic, tried 12 grains 777 and topped up with semolina, 357 balls from Kranks and CCi no 11 caps, had a problen with the spent caps falling in the mechanism and jamming but then turned the gun upside down when I cocked the hammer for the next shot that cured that, shot very high about 10" at 20 yards but can live with that while I try different loads, found putting caps on fiddly but really enjoyed the experience, once again thanx for all your help, cheers Tezz