or you have cleared that certain area that they operate in , i have a shoot on a farm/stable site , i have moved about 3 times around in different places because i had cleared the area , max i got in one area was 32 , moved to a new area and got about the same , on a new area now and im on 27 , but still very active , and all im using is horse feed , they just nosh it like wild fire , but if use something different i might attract them in masses so i know what head count i have got..... cheers for your ideas and will try this out...peter