Walther Dommie or Airwolf
"Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons"
Have no experience with 12 ft/lb guns but I have spent several years shooting long range with my FAC guns , it can be done to great success
with patients , practice and the right conditions ...
All my shooting is done from benchrest with guns on bags
AirWolf has provided some sub MOA groups at 50 -62 and 100 yards
SuperTEN many many groups just over MOA @ 70-84 and 90yards
HW100 regularly shoots sub MOA @ 50 and 60 yards
New Steyr only shot one group since buying it .625 @ 54 yards but I have high hopes for it once I get on with it.
Bullpup forum http://forum.bullpupmad.com/index/
found this one very interesting
mate, you are providing a good alternative or shall i say the most efficient way to shoot at that distance however i disagree with you, i've been shooting my FAC at long ranges for about 3 years now, i almost exclusively just do long range with my air rifle and its not luck as you suggest. you can realy work out everything if you have your equipement properly setup. im currently making a video of shooting FAC air rifles past 100meters, i will try to see if i can get everything out to 160meters. all the shots are planned, dialed and wind Estimated and dialed for. its either a first or second shot hit.
any less efficient round will teach you how to compensate for drop and windage, the 17hmr at that distance is 'point and shoot'
shooting 308Win at 1000yards for example and estimating wind is a skill not luck. as with anything else luck does have its own percentage but to name it luck is a misnomer.
in my opinion it doesnt matter which gun,which power or what range your talking.....its all down to one thing...PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE ! ! !