Thanks Johnny, with your recomendations, and advice from others, i think the HW 30 is the one to go for, in terms of ease of use for kids.Plus , as you say, i can still have a blat with it! Anyone know who stocks the HW30S on the shelves, instead of special order? As michael says, i can always keep an eye out for a used 50 as a project for myself,
thanks,Mark