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    Having just bought a Baikal Stealth (410 calibre) I'm very interested in reloading for it to get the best out of it. I may also want a moddy cover for it.....

    Any help gratefully accepted ref reloading, anyone want to sell tools/ presses etc?
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    Glad to see this thread is still of interest.

    Darren,

    the home-loads are working well now. The cartridges are throwing consistently good patterns of #4 out to 40m, and most of the time they'll do the job at 45m.

    I have noticed, however, that penetration is fine on crows and pigeons but less so on rabbits, so I limit myself to 35m for the latter. At that range, the shot typically goes right through the body but stops inside the skin on the far side.

    The down side of this is that I don't consider these loads suitable for fox, except perhaps at very close quarters.

    On the other hand, I suspect I could still get another 100fps before I go supersonic, so there's still some development potential. Time to get the chronograph out, I guess!

    One other issue I've found with the Mossberg is that the chamber is apparently tighter than those on my other shotguns, which means that cases fired in my S/S, O/U and S/A can't be re-used in the Mossberg as the MEC press doesn't resize the heads. This means I have to shoot some factory ammo in the Mossie from time to time to get correctly-sized reloadable hulls. As a result I'm thinking of getting a dedicated resizing tool to enable me to re-use the "oversize" hulls from my other guns.

    Another solution would be simply to buy unfired hulls, but I quite like the re-cycling aspect of reloading, and throwing away once-fired hulls now seems positively profligate!

    Incidentally, I took my 12g/.243 combi gun out the other day to use up the batch of over-size reloads I made before diagnosing the chamber-size problem. It has a 24" barrel and is a bit "barky" with full-speed loads, but the subsonic carts were still quiet enough to shoot without ear defenders, and they still spooked the wildlife much less than standard cartridges, although I did get the impression that velocity was down a bit compared to the longer barrel on the Mossie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Gain View Post
    Glad to see this thread is still of interest.

    Darren,

    the home-loads are working well now. The cartridges are throwing consistently good patterns of #4 out to 40m, and most of the time they'll do the job at 45m.

    I have noticed, however, that penetration is fine on crows and pigeons but less so on rabbits, so I limit myself to 35m for the latter. At that range, the shot typically goes right through the body but stops inside the skin on the far side.

    The down side of this is that I don't consider these loads suitable for fox, except perhaps at very close quarters.

    On the other hand, I suspect I could still get another 100fps before I go supersonic, so there's still some development potential. Time to get the chronograph out, I guess!

    One other issue I've found with the Mossberg is that the chamber is apparently tighter than those on my other shotguns, which means that cases fired in my S/S, O/U and S/A can't be re-used in the Mossberg as the MEC press doesn't resize the heads. This means I have to shoot some factory ammo in the Mossie from time to time to get correctly-sized reloadable hulls. As a result I'm thinking of getting a dedicated resizing tool to enable me to re-use the "oversize" hulls from my other guns.

    Another solution would be simply to buy unfired hulls, but I quite like the re-cycling aspect of reloading, and throwing away once-fired hulls now seems positively profligate!

    Incidentally, I took my 12g/.243 combi gun out the other day to use up the batch of over-size reloads I made before diagnosing the chamber-size problem. It has a 24" barrel and is a bit "barky" with full-speed loads, but the subsonic carts were still quiet enough to shoot without ear defenders, and they still spooked the wildlife much less than standard cartridges, although I did get the impression that velocity was down a bit compared to the longer barrel on the Mossie.

    What recipe are you using for your subsonic reloads

    IIRC, about 14 grains of A1 makes for a nice subsonic 1oz 20g round in a 65mm case with a fibre wad

    Of course anyone wishing to load that would have to double check it's validity for their own safety
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    sure just seen this gun in this months Gunmart

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    Quote Originally Posted by darren m View Post
    sure just seen this gun in this months Gunmart
    I was just going to say that...

    Does it work out cheaper reloading shells? I once read it wasn't worth it as a money saving exorcise in the UK due to the price of cartridges bought in bulk wasn't much more than the component cost?

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    Where did you buy your 500's synthetic furniture from mate? I need some for mine as the original wood stock's a bit messy.

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