Springer Lubrication Question

[Phantom Sniper]

I have a very serious question for those of you in the know.

A while back I purchase a .177 rifle, that was sold to me as doing 10 to 10.5 ft/lbs

When I had the gun Cronographed later it turns out it was doing just over 3FT/lbs. Not to worry though as it was in fantastic cosmetic condition and I figured at the price I paid I figured it was still worth it.

Well now winters comming, I figured I would strip it down and replace the spring and any other bits that needed doing.

As I removed the metal work from the stock, I noticed what appeard at first glance to be a Very rusty coloured spring!
Upon further examination, the rusty colour is actually a heavy coating of "Copper-slip" grease.

I dont know of anyone who has used copperslip in this kind of application before and was wondering if this would be a limiting factor in the power?

I can allways degrease and clean all the internals, but would copperslip be suitable as a lube in an airgun

Tony

[Rapidnick]

My first question is--are you SURE the rifle was only putting out 3 ft lb?? That is ludicrously low for even the oldest air rifles. Not questioning you-well I suppose I am really in the nicest possible way- but we have had several threads on here where it later turned out that the chrono was faulty or, more likley, the pellet weight settings were wrong.
I would certainly clean and reassemble the rifle before testing again. Air rifles are better under-lubed than caked with grease/tar/other lube.

[ateallthepies]

Sorry i can't comment on the copperslip lube.

I would strip and degrease the internals and ask bonnie and clyde's Dave for a lube kit. It's only a few quid and should be enough for a few rifles.

If it then still puts out low fpe there may be excessive internal friction or a knackered spring that needs to be dealt with.

Hth,

Steve.

[Stuart_B]

I would strip and relube with something decent like Bonnie&Clyde's lubes.

Or just ask B&C to do you a kit (spring/guide etc) it'll save you stripping it later and doing it anyway

[Top*Shot]

The fact that you (and I) and probably many others have never heard of copperslip being used in this way tells a story. If it was an improvement then I am sure that it would have been recommended on the forum before.

Strip it off and start again with something that is recommended such as the above tried, tested and trusted Moly B & C.

[uk litehammer]

I have never in my life (long time) heard of coppaslip being used for any kind of gun application, and in my opinion you should go with Bonnie & Clyde or Macarri lubes. I would also install B&C tune kit and new piston and breech seals and have done with it!

[Gungeek]

Which make and model of air-rifle is it? We all want to know, you know. Regards ... Geek

[Phantom Sniper]

My first question is--are you SURE the rifle was only putting out 3 ft lb?? That is ludicrously low for even the oldest air rifles. Not questioning you-well I suppose I am really in the nicest possible way- but we have had several threads on here where it later turned out that the chrono was faulty or, more likley, the pellet weight settings were wrong.
I would certainly clean and reassemble the rifle before testing again. Air rifles are better under-lubed than caked with grease/tar/other lube.

Hiya,
Yep it was deffo putting out 3ft/lb.
I have witnesses one of who tested his .22 and had outlandish results till the secretary of the club pointed out to him he was using my .177's instead of his .22's
I then used my .22 and it gave accurate results for that.

Cheers
Tony

[Phantom Sniper]

Sorry i can't comment on the copperslip lube.

I would strip and degrease the internals and ask bonnie and clyde's Dave for a lube kit. It's only a few quid and should be enough for a few rifles.

If it then still puts out low fpe there may be excessive internal friction or a knackered spring that needs to be dealt with.

Hth,

Steve.

Cheers Steve

ATB
Tony

[Phantom Sniper]

Which make and model of air-rifle is it? We all want to know, you know. Regards ... Geek

Its an ASI / Gamo Sniper Pix in my sig

And thank you to all who have replied.

I have never until today seen copperslip used in gun internals either.

Thanks again

Tony

[Gungeek]

All the Gamos (not many, I admit) I've ever heard, had a pronounced 'twang' from the spring. Seems like this was the previous owner's solution - cake it in copper grease - probably used it on the piston seal too. Regards ... Geek

[Gwylan]

What rifle is it? Copperslip is totally unsuited for air rifles, I've used it on car and motorbike brake pistons, but that's about it..!

Gus

[Phantom Sniper]

Got all the stuff off after a lot of cleaning

Going to put some molly grease I have on it either later tonight or tomorrow then reassemble and see what happens

Tony

[Herx77]

Most of my tuning uses Abbey products,but the list of slippery objects in my springers are:-
GN paste,
LT2 "
and the ever useful Dri-Slide.
Somewhere I use Sm5,been a long time since I did a tune.
With a good fitting spring guide I don't use much lube or dampening on the spring don't find much use for it,keeping it simple is the best approach.

HERX77 .

[rogb]

I got a kit of lubes from our sponsor - very small amounts but enough for a tune or two and occasional relube -£8.49 with free delivery. Highly recommended, just follow the enclosed instructions with a bit of degreasing and polishing

Gun Grease LT2
Coat the main spring, trigger mountings and any moving parts where excellent slip and anti corrosion properties are required.

Moly G-n Paste
Use as a running lube to avoid initial dry friction where a permanent 'dry' lubricant is required. Moly G-n paste is fully compatible with Gun Grease LT2 and need not be removed before applying LT2

Gun Lube SM50
Lubricates high velocity moving parts to reduce drag and protect from corrosion. A few drops occasionally in the compression chamber will keep your moly film intact.

Dri Slide
Bonds to metal to give moving parts superb smooth operation whilst repelling rust and water. Carries to all inaccessible parts to give dry film lubrication.

Silicone Gun Oil 35
Ideal water repellent for gun, barrel and stock. Continued light coating will produce a high sheen finish free of corrosion and rust, without fingerprints. Can be used as a lube for leather and plastic washers.

PS the member above really does know his stuff - one of the finest all-round shots you will ever meet!