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    Calibre variants...

    Have been asked if there is such a thing as a .45/60 in muzzle loaders.. Can anyone help or suggest a website I can find out more from??

    Info needed ASAP please..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Have been asked if there is such a thing as a .45/60 in muzzle loaders.. Can anyone help or suggest a website I can find out more from??
    Info needed ASAP please..
    Ta
    Confusion here, Sir - muzzle-loaders do not have calibre designations like this, where the .45 refers to the bore size, and the 60 to the BP powder charge. You could, if you feel so inclined, totally fill a barrel with a powder charge - making it a .45-1000, for instance.....

    The 45-60 is a black powder era Winchester cartridge , NOT a muzzle-loader.

    It was designed for the Winchester 1876 Centennial model, and remained in production until 1935 or so.

    It's pretty easy to make this cartridge from BELL .45-calibre cases made for the Sharps and any other .45 long case cartridge. I have all the details, if this is your intention.

    tac

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    Well, I GAVE you your answer ASAP.

    Now what?

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    if its anything like the 45-70 its an elephant stopper, thats all i can tell ya...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricscott666 View Post
    if its anything like the 45-70 its an elephant stopper, thats all i can tell ya...

    Rich
    It is nothing like the 45-70. Firstly, it was designed from the onset to be shot out of a Winchester lever-action 1876 'Centennial' rifle or carbine, in 1879. It was intended to fill the gap between 44-40 and 45-70 Government - as a deer-getter. It was discontinued by the only factory making it back in 1935. The firearm lasted in production only until 1897.

    It was also used in two other 'weak-action' firearms - the Kennedy lever-action repeater [the what?] and the Colt Lightning pump-action repeater....

    Ballistics -

    45-60 - 1315fps - 1152 ft lbs

    45-70 Black powder - 400gr lead - 1400 fps - 1306 ft lbs

    45-70 Nitro - 300gr SP - 300gr SP - 1880fps - 2355 ft lbs - Ruger No 1 or modern nitro-proofed arms only - NOT ANY type of Trapdoor Springfield

    45-70 Nitro - 405gr SP - 1330fps - 1590ft lbs

    None of them is an elephant stopper.

    The general consensus is that a minumum of 3500 ft lbs is needed for elephant.

    But please feel free to prove me and generations of African shooters wrong!

    Can we watch?

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    Dear Mr Tommo - in response to reading your original post, in which you asked for information, like NOW, I rushed around like a blue-arsed fly to get you the information you were looking for.

    Since then, quite a while has gone by without any post from you whatsoever, not even a 'ta, mate'.

    In future, do your own research, OK?

    Best wishes

    tac

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    Dear Mr Tacfoley..

    Due to a malady of epic proportions (called COPD) I have been relatively unable to peruse this much loved forum for anything other than minutes at a time. Right now I am sitting, at my laptop, having finished using my all-singing nebuliser, and enjoying some NHS oxygen. (the sound of which still makes me think there's a gas leak nearby..)

    This malady means I can't lie down so therefore I can't sleep and, as a result, my body-clock is working on Western Pacific Time of about 10 years back!!.

    Please accept my heartfelt apologies for what could be thought of as an act of unashamed selfishness in asking for info and not acknowledging those that provide it. It was not intended. The info you so selflessly sourced has been passed on to the original enquirer.

    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Dear Mr Tacfoley..

    Due to a malady of epic proportions (called COPD) I have been relatively unable to peruse this much loved forum for anything other than minutes at a time. Right now I am sitting, at my laptop, having finished using my all-singing nebuliser, and enjoying some NHS oxygen. (the sound of which still makes me think there's a gas leak nearby..)

    This malady means I can't lie down so therefore I can't sleep and, as a result, my body-clock is working on Western Pacific Time of about 10 years back!!.

    Please accept my heartfelt apologies for what could be thought of as an act of unashamed selfishness in asking for info and not acknowledging those that provide it. It was not intended. The info you so selflessly sourced has been passed on to the original enquirer.

    Thank you.

    You're welcome.

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    The 'bald' makes me jealous, but the 'old' makes me tetchy.

    Sorry to hear about your condition. You really should have stayed West Coast, say, Oregon. The prevailing ambient humidity there, much of which you can see and feel all year round, helps considerably in dealing with your condition. In fact, yesterday the 'humidity' was coming down in bucket loads near our holiday hutch at Cannon beach.

    Two years ago, Tillamook got only 109 inches of liquified 'humidity', and called it a pretty dry year.

    Best

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