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    Quote Originally Posted by averageplinker View Post
    Hang head in shame, stop wearing anything camouflaged, sell all shooting gear and take up Golf!
    ATB Rich.
    PS If you get a nought for firing without a pellet when you have no chance of hitting the target surely you should get minus one for missing when a pellet is fired and at least has a chance of hitting home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alegazmoz View Post
    Big Game Temprament
    Some have it, some haven't, some think they have and take it hard when they find out they haven't. ...... innit Mr Smiff?

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    Must a northern thing, certainly doesnt travel outside Sussex does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattinlondon View Post
    Gave up golf to take up shooting........

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    Similar answers to Steve and my answers are not based on UKAHFT rules but on the rule that we (supposedly) do this for fun

    Quote Originally Posted by mattinlondon View Post
    What do you think the result from the following situations are;


    Situation 1

    Shooter cocks rifle, loads pellet, closes bolt, when attempting to lay down, "bang", accidentally fires pellet 3 feet over the firing line (rifle not shouldered)

    I'd allow another chance.

    Situation 2

    Shooter cocks rifle, forgets to load pellet or pellet falls out, closes bolt, shoulders rifle, takes aim, fires, "bang"

    Zero - it's not an accident, it's not being careful.


    Situation 3

    Shooter cocks rifle, loads pellet, leaves bolt open, shoulders rifle, takes aim, fires, "bang", pellet discharges 10 feet over firing line


    Zero - it's not an accident, it's not being careful.

    Situation 4

    Shooter cocks rifle, loads pellet, closes bolt, shoulders rifle but doesn't look through scope, knocks rifle against a tree (its a stander) "bang", pellet goes into bushes 50 yards away

    I'd allow another chance.


    Situation 5

    Shooter cocks rifle, loads pellet, closes bolt, fires, "bang", kills target, looks up to see a "Kneeling Only" sign above him. (Sorry Chris, in this one none of his shooting partners had noticed the sign either as they were "in the groove", they would have told him had they noticed)

    Another zero as you should have taken more care. Exactly the same scenario as shooting the wrong target.

    So what is the outcome of the 5 situations, lets say in the strictest form of the rules, say the 2020 Olympics, I know we would all interpret the above a little differently if it was a friendly sunday morning shoot with your mates

    And as I said above, this is only a bit of fun...
    1 and 4 are accidental discharges, the others muppetry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prone Shooter View Post
    Similar answers to Steve and my answers are not based on UKAHFT rules but on the rule that we (supposedly) do this for fun



    1 and 4 are accidental discharges, the others muppetry

    Bob
    So an accidental discharge is not muppetry Negligent discharge, not accidental and completely irresponsible, disqualification for failing to adhere to basic gun safety guidelines,
    Atb
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    how about the shooter forgets to release the safety , as far as he/she is concerned the shot was taken or not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    So an accidental discharge is not muppetry Negligent discharge, not accidental and completely irresponsible, disqualification for failing to adhere to basic gun safety guidelines,
    Atb
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    Very true Cliff & i have had the situation happen to me at a shoot, i was prone & another shooter was slightly behind me on the next peg, loads a pellet & it accidently went off, don't know what happened but it went about 3 feet in front of me Of course I just carried on, knocked down the target & then asked my shooting partner WT F happened.. he didn't know but it was bleedy close enough for me to watch my back on the next few shots

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    Quote Originally Posted by skygrowler View Post
    how about the shooter forgets to release the safety , as far as he/she is concerned the shot was taken or not ?

    If no shot has been taken as the saftey is still engaged, flick saftey off & contnue as if you do it all the time

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    OK as Scooby said earlier, if the gun goes "bang" its a shot, end off, no more goes, no retakes, no excuses, all score ZERO........in any comp we should all adhere to these rules, it just isnt fair if you dont! Why should some guy get another go, kill the target and get 2 more points and end up higher on the results?

    I know it has happened before (recently) and will happen again Im sure, but I hope not as often in comps as Steve says "that are badge winners"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gold View Post
    So an accidental discharge is not muppetry Negligent discharge, not accidental and completely irresponsible, disqualification for failing to adhere to basic gun safety guidelines,
    Atb
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    In both scenarios, the gun is over the firing line and therefore considered safe and has not been sighted. Discharge in any other circumstance would be considered a breach of safety. If its a genuine accidental discharge i'd allow a reload.

    As I've said in my first reply, we're supposed to take part in these events for fun. If you've just driven 200 miles to be disquailified or had a chance of a win in those circumstances thwarted for whats effectively an accident then I think you'd have a right to be pissed off.

    IMO there's far to many rules being introduced for the sake of introducing rules.

    When Hunter FT started you could use any rifle as long as it was legal, you couldn't adjust the gun or any part of it, you had to be touching a peg, not sitting and not resting rifle on bean bag and targets were placed anywhere between 7-45 yards (or thereabouts) with a minimum of a 25mm kill. If you sighted the gun and it discharged, the target either fell for a 2, you plated for a 1 or you missed. Simple

    I make that 7 rules. It was simple and didn't cause controversy. Everyone knew where they stood and no one pushed the rules that where in place (that I recall anyway)

    It was more fun in my mind, you turned up to shoot with like minded folk who just wanted to knock over some targets and if they got a good score then great. Clearing a course was unheard of and people didn't expect to get 59 or 60 ex 60.

    Rose tinted specs maybe or I'm just getting old and dissolusioned but it did seem less stressful back in the early to mid '90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolId View Post
    Please excuse my interjection as a mere FT shooter, but I do think you should all give consideration to Gold's interpretation of Situation 1

    1) Disqualification for ND

    Range safety is something you can never have too much of

    Regards

    Dave
    I personally think that that would be mean spirited and unnecessary. The safety issue here is that the rifle is pointing down the range at the time and not at anyone. On more than one occasion whilst doing HFT and on aim, I've taken up the first stage and decided to adjust my position/move a tiny bit whilst forgetting to release the pressure on the trigger and ended up squeezing off before I meant to. On one occasion it earned me a zero and the other a 1 pointer. Do you consider that to be an ND as well? It's still an unintentional shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes View Post
    and ended up squeezing off before I meant to.
    I've heard that said about you...



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    I think there's a subtle distinction here. If the shooter is behaving in a controlled manner, and has the rifle under control and pointing down range, but happens to pull the trigger when they are not quite ready then I'm happy with a doughnut

    If the shooter is making a major change in position i.e. in the act of lying down (or sitting in FT) and a loaded non-safe rifle is being waved around and then discharged it's a very different issue

    It's much better not to load until you are in position ...

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prone Shooter View Post
    In both scenarios, the gun is over the firing line and therefore considered safe and has not been sighted. Discharge in any other circumstance would be considered a breach of safety. If its a genuine accidental discharge i'd allow a reload.

    As I've said in my first reply, we're supposed to take part in these events for fun. If you've just driven 200 miles to be disquailified or had a chance of a win in those circumstances thwarted for whats effectively an accident then I think you'd have a right to be pissed off.

    IMO there's far to many rules being introduced for the sake of introducing rules.

    When Hunter FT started you could use any rifle as long as it was legal, you couldn't adjust the gun or any part of it, you had to be touching a peg, not sitting and not resting rifle on bean bag and targets were placed anywhere between 7-45 yards (or thereabouts) with a minimum of a 25mm kill. If you sighted the gun and it discharged, the target either fell for a 2, you plated for a 1 or you missed. Simple

    I make that 7 rules. It was simple and didn't cause controversy. Everyone knew where they stood and no one pushed the rules that where in place (that I recall anyway)

    It was more fun in my mind, you turned up to shoot with like minded folk who just wanted to knock over some targets and if they got a good score then great. Clearing a course was unheard of and people didn't expect to get 59 or 60 ex 60.

    Rose tinted specs maybe or I'm just getting old and dissolusioned but it did seem less stressful back in the early to mid '90s.

    Bob
    In one case yes but in the other as you are lying down i doubt its over the line, having said that it should be pointing downrange anyway.

    I understand if the rifle is pointing downrange but i dont care if you have driven 500 miles and are 10 points clear, if you show a blatent disregard for gun safety, not accidental, careless, then you should be disqualified. Try to get the person 3 pegs down with one eye to sympathise that you have driven 200 miles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kes View Post
    I personally think that that would be mean spirited and unnecessary. The safety issue here is that the rifle is pointing down the range at the time and not at anyone. On more than one occasion whilst doing HFT and on aim, I've taken up the first stage and decided to adjust my position/move a tiny bit whilst forgetting to release the pressure on the trigger and ended up squeezing off before I meant to. On one occasion it earned me a zero and the other a 1 pointer. Do you consider that to be an ND as well? It's still an unintentional shot.
    Good point well made Kes, my safety comes off when i am in position and have sighted the shot, its the last thing i do before pulling the trigger, admittedly, not all rifles have safetys,
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