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[Gareth W-B]

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Following on from Bozzer’s post on an earlier post of Kingplinker’s today (a post which I have copied below for your ref etc), I have started this thread (obviously ), as really do want to get things back on an even keel … Please therefore have a read.

Sorry Gareth .. don't agree. Most people do their chatting/discussing in the main section. Something as big as the World's HFT deserves as much space on the main section as people want to give it. A lot of people may not even look at the other section and will miss threads.

HFT is a vast part of this site and by the same rules you may as well say we are going to have a different section for people who want to discuss a problem with their CO2 gun because most people on here don't shoot CO2. Same with all other minority threads.

Up to the Mods as always though. Just my opinion.

Cheers

Boz

Hi Boz,

As promised am back and will try to answer your very coherent and polite post (cheers). First, as HFT and FT are the main sub 12ft.lb air gun sports, it makes sense to have threads relating to them grouped together in a suitable section rather than dispersed liberally among an array of threads about problems with CO2 guns and "which is best, .177 or .22?" threads. I do hope you can see this and agree ... ?

From what I have seen over the years, with the odd exception, most discussion etc about the two disciplines as detailed has taken place on aligned events threads in the events section we are currently in. This has always brought complaints from folk about seemingly unfair bias regarding the bumps this affords some threads over others, as keeps some events listings near the top of the page beyond their time.

This then brought about the new bump rules. These rules removed the all important banter that accompanies said event threads however, but as the old system meant the potential for an unfair advantage regarding bumping could not be returned to, the "Shoot Results, Club News & Banter" sub section (this section) was introduced for just such interaction and chat.

During the 48hr gap between the introduction of the new bump rules and the creation of this banter section though, it was suggested that threads on HFT etc could be posted in the general section. But as said sub-section is now up and running, as stated, surely it is better that all related threads are grouped together in the one place -- especially as complaints about such threads in the general section were already starting to come in hourly?

Somewhere between a rock and a hard place is where I found myself on this one, but despite the grumbles of a few intransients, in the long run, I do believe moving the threads in question from the general section to this is for the best.

I will concede however that Cliff has a valid point regarding the worlds though, and as such, if someone wants to craft a coherent thread on the subject and post it in the general section as a one off (with maybe a link to this section ), I will happily leave it there, and endorse it, and ensure it doesn't get bogged down with derogatory posts from those who don't want to see it there. Is that fair?

Lastly, scutter has also made a valid observation that the name of the main events section that this is a sub-section of, doesn't automatically transmit HFT or FT to the browser. This I will talk to my fellow mods about, and see if we can't change this section's name slightly to suit .

That’s it. Thoughts please, although I will continue to delete any posts which are abusive, as have no time for such posts, or for the rude and belligerent egomaniacs that post them. Atb: G.

[Gold]

Like i said originally Gareth HFT is a massive part of the forum, you pointed out collectables and another section as busier, that kind of missed the point i was making, in the general airgun section most of the 'regular' posters were either involved or visited Kelmarsh, this shows by the number of threads and responses that suddenly flooded the forum, personally i have no iterest in CO2 rifles and many many other threads in general airgun, therefore i don't bother to read them, simple. there are however many none HFT threads that DO interest me and i read them, its like a menu, you pick what you like and leave what you do not.
With the sudden flood of HFT threads mainly because of the worlds i got the feeling that there was a massive buzz around the airgun world, maybe i am in a bubble of my own but i feel the buzz got splatted and we all got put in the naughty corner, thats how it feels anyway, i am sure the situation will settle and as always respect both the decisions and the time given by the Modding team
Best Wishes
Cliff

[Charlts]

No offence intended but I'm not overly keen on the new arrangement. I won't be asking for my membership fee back, just visiting less. Suppose there'll be a separate hunting section with sub sections for individual species too?

Ryan

[Gareth W-B]

With the sudden flood of HFT threads mainly because of the worlds i got the feeling that there was a massive buzz around the airgun world, maybe i am in a bubble of my own but i feel the buzz got splatted and we all got put in the naughty corner, thats how it feels anyway

Hi Cliff,

Sorry you felt that way, maybe it was caused by too many forum changes at once, and at an important time regarding your passion for HFT? I can fully empathise with you mate, but I assure you, nothing could have been further from the truth. In fact, my motivation was virtually the complete opposite . Atb and cheers for your kind comments above and your p-m (both greatly appreciated ): G.

[Raygun]

Hi Gareth,
My twopenceworth.

There are too many sections and all this does is split the BBS into too many parts. I see no reason why HFT posts shouldn't remain in the General Airgunning section.

Personally I read all the posts and whether it's hunting (I no longer hunt) I can still find it interesting. We should have a broad spectrum and appreciate others disciplines. HFT has a great interest, more so at the moment with the Worlds just having taken place.

I just don't see the reason for fixing something that isn't broken.

So far (and I know it's new) it just doesn't feel right.

ATB
Ray.

[bozzer]

Hi Gareth

Thanks for your reply and your PM.

When I log onto the BBS ( which I do a number of times daily ) I head straight for the general airgun section. I'll make the odd visit to the For Sales sections but I generally hover around the general airgun and read and respond to threads that I find of interest.

Like Cliff says ... it's a menu ... if I see a thread asking for help on HW77 tuning I read it. If it's a post on something that is of no interest to me, I don't ... simple.

I can see that it would be undesirable the same 3 members hogging the 1st page up on either the general section or the events section by basically having a 3 man conversation about a shoot that they went to yesterday ... but the World's was an event attended by 250 shooters ... most are members on here.

So it was bound to inspire a number of threads that would dominate the general section for a few days before it all died down.

There were probably always going to be a number of members who would complain ... as they didn't attend and probably have little interest in HFT. It's a bit like when the Football World Cup is on the telly and some people, who are not footie fans, get sick to death of hearing about it. I've even seen hotels offering World Cup free breaks.

My response to them would be ... If you have no interest in it ... don't read the threads.

To be honest ... since the threads have been moved to this section .. it's no great hardship to pop into this section and read/comment about the Worlds ... so no big deal really.

I'll live with whatever you decide on fella. As always ... your time is very much appreciated.

Regards

Boz

[Kingplinker]

You know what , I have just typed a very long winded post and decided to delete it through fear of getting banned or more infractions . Perhaps that will give you some idea of how I view recent changes on here - things change and sometimes have to but it's up to you if you continue visiting or not .

I do believe a lot of the fun has been taken out of the forum but I also agree that posters should all have an equal shot ( pun intended ) at adverts either for sales or comps .

Just deleted a load more - must keep my gob shut IMO the BBS has been divided into god knows how many sections/sub sections etc infact I hope I am posting this in the correct forum or I will get roasted for bumping !

Dave

[Gareth W-B]

Lastly, scutter has also made a valid observation that the name of the main events section that this is a sub-section of, does not automatically transmit HFT or FT to the browser. This I will talk to my fellow mods about, and see if we can't change this section's name slightly to suit .

Success . Please note the info line under the heading for the main part of this section as it appears on the BBS home page has been changed from simply reading Airgun related events and club information to Airgun related events and club information: inc. FT and HFT.

[Gareth W-B]

Suppose there'll be a separate hunting section with sub sections for individual species too?

... Now there is an idea ...

[Charlts]

... Now there is an idea ...

Don't forget the springer section whilst you're at it, or the calibre section (Including .20 and .25)!

Ryan

[Pad. E]

Don't forget the springer section whilst you're at it, or the calibre section (Including .20 and .25)!

Ryan

& don't forget a Camo section

(it still does says banter in the sub forum, forum header )


As I see it there has been alot of change on here which has happened really fast. Some people don't like change at all, some take loger to get used to it. As Raygun said you can't please everyone, especially when we 'don't' have to pay for it

The positive thing about splitting the HFT from main section, is it will slow it down just a bit, so other threads will stay on the first page longer.

The downside is that there are more forum & sub forum, forums to wade through. Having said that I don't have Night Vision, so I don't go into that section, but if I was thinking about it I know where to go Same as Rimfire, Reloading, BP & Muzzleloaders

If it stays like this then so be it. Just people need to get used to it.

I think as Scutter asked for a main section header, rather a sub forum header would be more appriorate. Having said that it was only because of the influx of threads of the 'worlds' that has caused this to happen, how busy will it be a week after the event?


I think, I think too much


Regards
Paddy.

[mattinlondon]

Hope this post doesnt get deleted, but could the BBS members not have a simple little vote on what THEY want? From the few posts so far on this thread it is painfully obvious all is not well

It would seem the fairest and easiest solution to me..

If it aint broke, dont fix it!!

[bozzer]

This chap's pretty new to this moderator lark fellas and probably hasn't received delivery of his Rhino skinned body suit yet so let's go a little easy on him.

We don't see the other side of the story ... the PM's he will be getting from the members who don't want to see lots of HFT threads in the general section. My opinion, as stated, is to tell them to just not read them but the Mods have to try and strike a balance.

Now we know where the threads are it's no big deal to jump to this section.

I could name a few 'old time' mods that would have had the iron rod out by now but this guy remains civil and responds personally to most comments.

Boz

[mattinlondon]

This chap's pretty new to this moderator lark fellas and probably hasn't received delivery of his Rhino skinned body suit yet so let's go a little easy on him.

We don't see the other side of the story ... the PM's he will be getting from the members who don't want to see lots of HFT threads in the general section. My opinion, as stated, is to tell them to just not read them but the Mods have to try and strike a balance.

Now we know where the threads are it's no big deal to jump to this section.

I could name a few 'old time' mods that would have had the iron rod out by now but this guy remains civil and responds personally to most comments.

Boz

So even more reason to have a vote?

[Steve L]

Too many changes to fast, to many sections, sub sections & stupid new rules IMO.

No offence but it's ridiculous on here with some of the new rules, you never know if you are posting in the right place, whether you will get a warning or even a ban nowadays

Just my opinion..... if thats allowed.

Steve