Defiants

[nightstalker000]

How about 1" groups at a measured 68 yards with .177 Defiants, from a Theoben Rapid 17FT, off a bench rest?
And Daystate Rangemasters, at one grain heavier, and from the same company as Defiants are as good if not better still.
And both out penetrate anything else on the market to boot - what else could anyone want?

jsbs exacts are very good also i am getting 1 inch groups at 130 yards with .22 airwolf mvt at 33 ft lbs.

[Xristos]

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With 14gr Defiant 5.50 out of box at 80m with Diana 54 and 880 fps.

[Schnakey]

I used the old SN2s and PCP2s and past 45 yards they corkscrewed majorly, the new ones (name escapes me) seem a LOT better.

[longman]

im useing the FAC rated Defiants (18gr) out to 100yrds with my Ds mk4 @ 32ft/lbs and they fly lovely and flat and hit quite hard as well. just wish i could get some
in .25!!!

[Adam77K]

Consensus among many FT/HFT shooters (if there is such a thing ) seems to be that they don't group well beyond 35-40 yds in most 12 ft.lbsf rifles. The speculation is that it's to do with rifling twist rates. Launched at the lower spin speeds of 12 ft.lbsf, pellets start to rely on drag stabilisation at longer ranges so diabolos win out, whereas the bullet shaped pellets start to wobble. Grouping and wind performance then go out of the window.

With FAC they spin faster so they stay stable for much longer.

As I say this is speculation but seems to fit most accounts I've read. FAC: yes, sub 12ft.lbsf fine up to 35 yds or so.

[jagxkrs]

Don't shoot FAC but the ones I tried in my sub 12 ft/lb Wolf were bloody rubbish My desert eagle pistol liked em

[ellsworth]

i personally love em

using med head .177 tonight i was turning the bottom of a bean tin into a teabag at 85yrds

they fly fast and hard , ok not tight groupers but they will go through both sides of the tin at that range

sub 12 HW98

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