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  1. #1
    LIAM.H Guest

    how many fills

    can anyone tell me the formula for working out how many fills I would get from a 3ltr 300bar bottle to fill a Logun S16 400cc bottle to 200bar.

    Thanks

  2. #2
    Dennis Guest
    Please allow me to simply paste the text that I used for calculating number of fills for my S200:

    N = (Pt - Pr ) * ( Vt /(Pdiff*Vr))

    where
    N is the number of fills you will get. But don't forget to include a fudge factor to account for the loss of air in the hose when you open up the bleed valve.
    Pt is the tank pressure, in your case, either 3500 or 4500 when fully filled.
    Pr is the desirable gun reservoir pressure, in your case, 2150 psi.
    Pdiff is the difference in the high pressure (2150) in your gun's air reservoir and the low pressure (refill pressure at which you want to refill your gun, 1450 psi).
    Vt is the tank displacement (volume). Here: 90 cu ft*(14.5/4500) = 0.29, 14.5 psi is normal air pressure at sea level.
    Vr is the reservoir displacement (volume).

    Using a fudge factor of 0.9 for loss of air in the hose:
    With a 4500 psi 90 CF tank you will get 221 fills,
    with a 3500 psi 100 CF tank you will get 181 fills.

    Medium Carbon Fiber tank, 285 cu in displacement, 4400 psi, S200 (122 cc reservoir): approx. 135 fills.

  3. #3
    cooky Guest
    about 13 fills working from a rapid 7 400cc bottle filling to 200 bar from 150 bar pressure left in the buddy bottle
    Last edited by cooky; 03-09-2004 at 08:06 PM.

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    Anybody know were to download the excel spread sheet that did the calculations?

    I've lost my copy.



    Ora

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    LIAM.H Guest
    you can find a copy of the xl spreedsheet for this under
    www.cwbr22088.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/airgun

    I found this but I don't have XL
    Last edited by LIAM.H; 03-09-2004 at 09:02 PM.

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    Link don't work!!!!!!!!!!


    ora

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    LIAM.H Guest
    sorry try again I'm new at this

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    That worked thanks.


    Ora

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    cooky Guest
    YHE-Mail

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    If it's got my name in red in the top corner it's the spreadsheet I wrote. It's up to version 14 now.

    Latest version available on request to richclark24@hotmail.com Please DON'T use the addy in my profile, it has been CLOSED and the BBS won't let me enter a hotmail address.

    rgds

    Rich

    PS the lost volume in the hose and valve etc is not a percentage but a constant amount and you'd be amazed how much difference a microbore hose makes.

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