Wanted

[frontend loader]

I am after buying the very first edition of the Airgun World. 1977.
If anyone has one for sale I would be interested.
Gutted,I threw them all away when I left the nest along with all my vintage porn mag's.

[I. J.]

You mean THIS one? They occasionally turn up on that there internet auction site. If there is a specific article you require I can scan it for you.
Good luck with your search.

ATB
Ian

[T 20]

You mean THIS one? They occasionally turn up on that there internet auction site. If there is a specific article you require I can scan it for you.
Good luck with your search.

ATB
Ian

And I could probably find you some vintage porn mags.

Mary Millington.


All the best Mick

[frontend loader]

You mean THIS one? They occasionally turn up on that there internet auction site. If there is a specific article you require I can scan it for you.
Good luck with your search.

ATB
Ian

Thanks for the offer of a scan-no particular article just fancied a browse at the mag.I will keep a look out,one will turn up sooner or later.

[frontend loader]

And I could probably find you some vintage porn mags.

Mary Millington.


All the best Mick

Mary Millington-lol thats a name I remember

[steeleye]

I have collection for sale, including complete first year, I think there were 6 mags' as it started in middle of the year. not practical to sell one mag', would have to be complete years issue. I don't know prices, if anyone has values that would be very handy.

[wild dogman]

mary millington-lol thats a name i remember:d

me to

[Hsing-ee]

Hmmm. I got most of AGW from the auction site some years ago in a fit of middle-aged nostalgia. Then gave them away to BuddyBoy, who subsequently passed them on himself.

What I got from them, apart from the afore-mentioned nostalgic buzz, was the conclusion that the modern airgun fraternity, as exemplified by the airgunbbs, are so much more clued up about EVERYTHING to do with airguns than we were back then that they weren't worth bothering with in terms of improving stuff today.

The airguns are treated like the ancient Chinese treated their swords; mythically; Weihrauch are very powerful but heavy, British guns are worthy but dull etc. There is a huge emphasis on power increases that seem laughable now -massive tuning efforts to go from 10 to 12 ft/lbs, and all speculative because no one had chronographs! There was the .177 vs .22 debate, which actually meant something because a particular rifle in .177 would usually make 2 ft/lbs less than its .22 compatriot, which is no longer the case ...

And all the scopes were 4x max, occasionally a 'sniper' might use a 6x ... If a scope was used at all...

Interesting history, but don't go looking for golden fleeces ...


Best general airgun literature is Walther's 'The Airgun Book' series. If you can find the red one (3rd ed) or the brown one (4th ed), you can spend many happy hours on the lavvy perusing them - also has a section on accuracy and mathematically finding the middle of a group that has yet to be surpassed! If you want to be an expert in technical stuff, the late Gerald Cardew's 'The Airgun from Trigger to Target' is exceptional, fascinating, relevant and extremely readable.

You got to love those old AGW writers though, Eddie Barber, John Darling (God rest his soul), Rod Lynton (40 yards headshots on pigeon with a pistol yeah right!), and the very strict fellow who stripped and tested all the guns ... They brought airgunning to a wider audience and made the scene what it is today.

Good luck with your search!

[T 20]

Hmmm. I got most of AGW from the auction site some years ago in a fit of middle-aged nostalgia. Then gave them away to BuddyBoy, who subsequently passed them on himself.

What I got from them, apart from the afore-mentioned nostalgic buzz, was the conclusion that the modern airgun fraternity, as exemplified by the airgunbbs, are so much more clued up about EVERYTHING to do with airguns than we were back then that they weren't worth bothering with in terms of improving stuff today.

The airguns are treated like the ancient Chinese treated their swords; mythically; Weihrauch are very powerful but heavy, British guns are worthy but dull etc. There is a huge emphasis on power increases that seem laughable now -massive tuning efforts to go from 10 to 12 ft/lbs, and all speculative because no one had chronographs! There was the .177 vs .22 debate, which actually meant something because a particular rifle in .177 would usually make 2 ft/lbs less than its .22 compatriot, which is no longer the case ...

And all the scopes were 4x max, occasionally a 'sniper' might use a 6x ... If a scope was used at all...

Interesting history, but don't go looking for golden fleeces ...


Best general airgun literature is Walther's 'The Airgun Book' series. If you can find the red one (3rd ed) or the brown one (4th ed), you can spend many happy hours on the lavvy perusing them - also has a section on accuracy and mathematically finding the middle of a group that has yet to be surpassed! If you want to be an expert in technical stuff, the late Gerald Cardew's 'The Airgun from Trigger to Target' is exceptional, fascinating, relevant and extremely readable.

You got to love those old AGW writers though, Eddie Barber, John Darling (God rest his soul), Rod Lynton (40 yards headshots on pigeon with a pistol yeah right!), and the very strict fellow who stripped and tested all the guns ... They brought airgunning to a wider audience and made the scene what it is today.

Good luck with your search!

Hi Mr Sing-ee

I used to think the same as yourself when reading early Airgunworlds.

But, and it's a big but, most of the springer tuning mods from the past are still relevant today.

You actually mention one of the articles which really made me think, in Pistols with a Punch by Rod Lynton (AGW Jan 1981) he mentions the 40 yard headshots on pigeons.
The pistol he was using was a Crosman 1377 fitted with a Parker Hale peepsight. At first I dismissed this article as rubbish, but this was no ordinary Crosman 1377. The pistol had been tuned by Adam Whaley, who built Marshall Crosmans and Whaley Crosmans. The fact that the pistol produced the same power on three pumps as a standard pistol did on six pumps gives a good indication of it's power potential. Around about the same time as Rod Lynton's article John Bowkett was getting 16ftlbs from a Crosman 1322, so who knows what the Whaley 1377 was putting out (Lynton claimed 6ftlb max).
With the 40 yard headshots it was said that a red dot sight was used.

I've not tried any 40 yard targets with a 1377 so I can't actually dismiss this article out of hand just yet.
I'm just waiting on a phase three barrel to fit into a 2250 breach so that I can use a scope on a 1377. When I get sorted I'll have a go and see what happens --- could be fun.


All the best Mick

[frontend loader]

I got one-some kind gent sold me his.
I remember the 40yard head shots on pigeons,and all the other 'impossible' shots.As a teenager I loved airguns and lived on an RAF camp which was surrounded by its own woods.My dad was at one time head of security on the entire base-the largest and most strategic in the country,so naturaly he sorted it for me to shoot my airgun in the woods.Imagine trying to do this todayHe also introduced me to shooting at the age of five and in later years bought me that first edition of AGW.I'm sure it's just a mid life crisis moment but what the hell.

[harry mac]

I got one-some kind gent sold me his.
I remember the 40yard head shots on pigeons,and all the other 'impossible' shots.As a teenager I loved airguns and lived on an RAF camp which was surrounded by its own woods.My dad was at one time was head of security on the entire base-the largest and most strategic in the country,so naturaly he sorted it for me to shoot my airgun in the woods.Imagine trying to do this todayHe also introduced me to shooting at the age of five and in later years bought me that first edition of AGW.I'm sure it's just a mid life crisis moment but what the hell.

If you speak nicely to the QM (or RAF equivalent) it's not really that hard to get shooting on a military base. It does help (a lot), of course, if you're military!
Lots of bases have rabbit problems, and on my last camp we had a rookery that provided us with some good shooting every May with air rifles.

[Scottyboy]

And I could probably find you some vintage porn mags.

Mary Millington.


All the best Mick

Her name was on the tip of my tongue, and her face rings a bell

[Muskett]

Mary Millington? Now I want to see

I spent £60 on evilbay for odd AGW and AG and then bought a rifle with 150 plus airgun mags thrown in for £80! The rifle was worth more than that. They take up a lot of space.

Very repetitive and power mad. Big scope mad too. Every rifle was a tack driver though the German stuff was a record trigger better.

Early days and body shot were fine, later .177 head shots were better. I had already worked that one out I use a 4x40 Optima scope today and they work in the field (head shots standing at 20m) as well as they did 30 years ago. My newer high mag stuff doesn't add that much range or add to the bag which is why I have gone full circle, though my FWB Sport is tuned to smoothness. I don't even bother with a moderator

(PCP modern stuff is better).

How they raved about the Singlepoint! I have several now and like them but they are no real use. Circa 1980 there were some good optics though not cheap, but in trying to keep the price down quality slipped over the years (circa 1995 quality fell off the cliff).

I dip into the mags occasionally. All the mags, are great entertainment but don't take them as gospel

[Yellowbelly]

Bought them religously,read from cover to cover I used to hang on every word of the articles beleiving that they never missed a single shotor if they did managed to hit something else unseen beyond their intended quarry, but with experience came reality and I finally cancelled my order when I read T le Chem's article about shooting a rat in his back garden from the living room window hiding behind the curtains in FULL CAMO lost all credibility for me, did he have other clothes?