Original Model 35: OK for Vintage?

[Jim McArthur]

If they didn't re-introduce the 802, and it's remained out of production since about 1970...it's got to still be vintage!

But, your question contains the seeds of another good question....

Jim

What I was thinking there was: what if an otherwise vintage gun is reintroduced, temporarily, albeit unsuccessfully (i.e., it's pulled out of production again) in the POST vintage years/

Does this unsuccessful production attempt eliminate the otherwise vintage-ness?

Under our rules, I'm inclined to say that it DOES: since, no matter how you look at it, the same gun WAS (even if NOT "is") in production beyond the vintage cut-off point.

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

I would suggest that any significant design changes, thus creating a distinct model version, should be considered as individual guns for the purpose of inclusion in the vintage classification.

Cheers, Mark

I would agree.

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

Under our present rules: no, it never will be.

And I close with a thought in mind...but want to see if anyone else thought of it that way before I comment....

Jim

What I was thinking here was: what about the same model being marketed identically under two different names SIMULTANEOUSLY, like the HW 40 and the Beeman P3?

What if one of them went out of production in a pre-cut-off year, but the other continued in production beyond the cut-off date?

Here, you'd have a better case for saying that they were differnt models, I would think - though admittedly, not MUCH of a better case - - than in the case of a vintage model going belly-up pre-cut-off, and the admittedly exact-same gun being reintroduced under another brand name: on the grounds that they always were two different models.

But it's debatable.

If the mods and the Gang agree, I'd have no objection to changing the rules to either/both:

(1) you can show that the particular model (manufacrurer's name, model number) went out of production before 1986: OR,

(2) you can show that the particular gun in your hands was made before 1986.


I hate for all this to get too "rulesy": the UBC's supposed to be good-hearted fun anyway, not serious competition.

Jim

[BeerJam]

...(1) you can show that the particular model (manufacrurer's name, model number) went out of production before 1986: OR,

(2) you can show that the particular gun in your hands was made before 1986.


I hate for all this to get too "rulesy": the UBC's supposed to be good-hearted fun anyway, not serious competition....

I think both variations should be applied as they are both in the spirit of the UBC's fun for all prospectus

Cheers, Mark

[Jerry Cornelius]

(2) you can show that the particular gun in your hands was made before 1986.

Dunno. That would mean I could shoot at least one of my Tempests amongst other things. Not that I would, because the fun is getting the old girls out (ooer) but it wouldn't be in the spirit of a vintage comp.

[Jim McArthur]

Two responses, two different opinions, both making good points. Anyone else?

Jim

[gedfinn 2]

Thanks, Mark!

So, the Original 35 is the same thing as the Diana 35? Maybe that's why I can't locate the Original brand in my Airguns Blue Book.

Jim

No its not, The originals were better made & had the 3, Ball bearing trigger,
IE much better than the Diana counterpart,
A Pair of Originals 35 S ( A big gun ) & a 35
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...Picture085.jpg

[BeerJam]

Two responses, two different opinions, both making good points. Anyone else?

Jim

Ok then, another thought to consider ;

If we apply amendment (2): "you can show that the particular gun in your hands was made before 1986."
But with the proviso that production of the precise model began before a set date (1975 maybe?) then it would avoid the issue of a design that was "brand new" in 1985, and thus relatively modern, being eligible.

I know this is making things a bit complicated but it is just a thought .

Cheers, Mark.

[mickson]

the rules for this comp seem to confused and variable, Jim ok'd my diana 6g, but i'm now told on ubc site that its not, the thread for this rifles confusing.
Please someone make the Rule and stick to it...mike...:confused

[Jim McArthur]

Jim's the Vintage manager and if he OK'ed a particular gun, he won't de-OK it.

The rule now is that if the MODEL went out of production before 1986, it's automatically OK.

The rule is being amended to say, IN ADDITION, if you can show, via serial number or date stamp or whatever, that the particular gun in your hand was made before 1986, it's also OK: PROVIDED that model is NOW out of production.

This amendment stands, UNLESS I am overruled by the other moderators.

How's that?

Jim

[badfish]

that suits me fine.
thank you

[Adam77K]

Sounds a spot on solution, superb.

And for an encore, Jim will address the Middle East conflict and draft a new theory of everything unifying the theories of quantum mechanics and relativity.

[BeerJam]

...IN ADDITION, if you can show, via serial number or date stamp or whatever, that the particular gun in your hand was made before 1986, it's also OK: PROVIDED that model is NOW out of production...

Good solution Jim, I think that is very fair and, more importantly, workable and easily understood.
Well done

Cheers, Mark

[Jim McArthur]

Sounds a spot on solution, superb.

And for an encore, Jim will address the Middle East conflict and draft a new theory of everything unifying the theories of quantum mechanics and relativity.

Now, how did you know what I've been working on lately?

Gotta go now, I'm expecting a call from my bro' Barack....

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

Good solution Jim, I think that is very fair and, more importantly, workable and easily understood.
Well done

Cheers, Mark

Thanks, Mark: I'm stupid, so prefer to keep things simple.

Jim