The Webley Hawk Mk 3 - 70s throwaway from Brum
The Relum Tornado - Hungarian Swamp Donkey from the Reds
Chinese B2 - Born to be thrown straight in the recycling bin?
Brema 35 - the Shame of Italy
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Here's a list of four 'dogs', with various reasons why they might be the worst springers of their time.
1. Webley Hawk Mk 3 - spring retaining pin hole wears, sears allow accidental discharge, brittle plastic sights, crap trigger, ugly slabby stock - the Webley name raises expectations and then the Mk 3 dashes them.
2. Relum Tornado - insane double spring system for maximum boing, counterintuitive downward swinging loading tap, long, ugly, snakey barrel, gritty, stiff trigger, railway-sleeper stock - massive size gives impression of tremendous power which is not delivered.
3. Chinese B2 (the Arrow etc) - horrible break-barrel with no quality control in any area, deisels massively without being more powerful than a Webley Tempest, oversimple trigger rules out accuracy, cheap like supermarket super-strength lager and appealing to the same demographic.
4. The Brema 35 - no one will know this one, but it is a cheap crude copy of the finely engineered Original 35 with a horrible trigger. Looks like something it isn't like a fake Rolex. Very disappointing to those hopefuls that bought it.
Last edited by Hsing-ee; 09-10-2009 at 06:44 PM.
The title has to go to the B2Even a bodger would cry at the sight of one
I had a B2 Custom thing for plinking until the spring broke within 6 months. A pea shooter was more accurate and powerful
I had it 8 months and done the decent thing, i cut it up and put it in the scrap metal, stock went in the fire
Kev
part time super hero and seeker of justice
Never had the Brema? but had the others. B2 is a good gun for what it is--A £27 throw away as soon as anything breaks on it and will do someone to get rid of a few rats of pigeons. The Hawk mk3 is my least favourite hawk but probably the best of them. Ive got a £5 dog of one that I did to plink and its great. I like the Relum Tornado downwards tap because you can open it with your thumb and close it with your forefinger. The two springs thing is a waste of time. I find that even with one spring that the Tornado makes my tennis elbow play up like nothing else. I dont have a problem with the trigger but dont like that rear stock bolt. The bulbous stock version looks really ugly in pictures but I quite like the light coloured one got on the bitsa I put together from bits off here. I really do want to try an earlyish Relum breakbarrel as well.
B2 seconded!.a guy came to me at work a few weeks ago asking if I could "sort out" a nice old air rifle that a farmers son had given him after a drinking session.."Ummm, lucky so and so" I thought, and looked forward to seeing an early airsporter or something else interesting........It was a b2
Banned
must agree hawk was awful and the tornado was a waste of wood and metal does anyone remember the chinese arrow now that thing was an accident waiting to happen also what about the asi statical recoiless that was an insane device as was the chinese lion under lever a good friend of mine lost half is tumb to one of the contrapions
You can't say muntjack without saying mmmmm
B2 for me on this one. The Hawks aren't that bad, as long as you don't try to hot-rod them with an Ox spring. I've had my Hawk MkII since 1976, my Hawk MkIII since about 1980/1 and I also have a Hawk MkI which I got 2nd hand.
Admittedly I don't shoot them much but they are still accurate when I do.
I will admit though that the design of the sights is cr@p and the triggers aren't the best. They have their faults but I've got a soft spot for them because a Hawk MkII was the first air rifle I owned.
The South of England has 2 good things, the M1 and the A1. Both will take you to Yorkshire.
Big pipe tuner
All the B2 variants . The worst modern airgun ive used has to be the bsa supersport/lightning .
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relum tornado for me horrible to shoot but they do have there uses as a fence post or even a garden ornament and i remember them lion airguns build quality to match a lada but they were cheap i wonder where they have all gone
if u live life on the edge then your taking up to much room
Some B2 owners opinions here......maybe I got a friday gun to look at
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews752.html
Mind you, some of the spelling in the reviews sort of gives the game away!
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You all must be STRAINING. It's down to your ectomorphic bodies and unusually long necks.Originally Posted by edbear2
Some B2 owners opinions here......maybe I got a friday gun to look at
http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews752.html
Mind you, some of the spelling in the reviews sort of gives the game away!
'SMK B2 is very good all round, good long range shots. I have noticed that its very good if your a stocky chap with a short neck (17inch)a comfort factor when shooting and not straining.'
Baldyman is now extinct
Hammerli 401 ..Disappointing
Bsf 54..Disappointing
BUT..my vote goes to the old Webley mk 3..The most georgeous well built classic ever..but all of them i had including a new one did not shoot straight.
The worst ever ..disappointment, after wanting one from being a kid.
Like finding out your childhood sweetheart is a crack whore.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" -- Benjamin Franklin
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Webley Mk 3 underlevers suffer from hype. I think the early ones were good at the time - for British rifles that is. The Falke and the Walther air-rifles were greatly superior. The Webley Mk 3 has this reputation and blah blah ... but they are underpowered and not all that accurate for all their splendid engineering. Webley's best rifle was the Omega!Hammerli 401 ..Disappointing
Bsf 54..Disappointing
BUT..my vote goes to the old Webley mk 3..The most georgeous well built classic ever..but all of them i had including a new one did not shoot straight.
The worst ever ..disappointment, after wanting one from being a kid.
Like finding out your childhood sweetheart is a crack whore.
Last edited by Hsing-ee; 09-10-2009 at 09:37 PM.
O.K........so how much is Gareth paying you
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I worked it out by a process of elimination ... although I have an Eclipse I have started to repair in the cupboard. If I fit it with a leather washer to get over the expansion problem, then I will crown it King of The Webleys and sell it on...O.K........so how much is Gareth paying you
Retired Mod & Airgun Anorak Extraordinaire
The B2 all the way and every day. Horrible things that make Relum Tornados seem like Venom tuned HW77s in comparison.
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