How hard should a course be

[macks]

How does this course compare to your course in range and difficulty of the targets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-zt_wSKi8

thanks for any help

[ateallthepies]

I only watched about two minutes. I shoot mostly HFT as I don't like targets being all in full view from a sitting position as in other disciplines and find it boring.

IMO I like courses to be ultra hard with foliage and obstacles in the way and targets placed so you have to consult the HFT karma Sutra book of positions to get a shot off!
I think at least half the targets should make you think, not only what their range is but how obstacles affect the path of the pellet with or without wind.

The trouble is is that all ages and sizes have to be catered for and left hookers as well.

Steve.

[Pontiac]

Wouldn't like to shoot that on a windy day but looks very boring!

[never too old]

I must admit i have been slammed on this site for some of the courses i have set but when these same people shoot elswhere they find the courses easier and thier scores go up so i guess if none affiliated clubs put out difficult hft courses then we are doing some good, having said some people complain more appreciate what you are trying to do for them, so i say make courses hard because on the day its the same for everyone

[jagxkrs]

The UK's had it pretty much spot on this year (Apart from one notable exception, nice carpark though) What I do hate is turning up to a shoot to find twigs/branches bouncing across the killzone or indeed the target totally obscured, that target is then a test of luck rather than skill and its not worth me driving 3 or 4 hrs to rely on luck

[L-S-R]

What I do hate is turning up to a shoot to find twigs/branches bouncing across the killzone or indeed the target totally obscured, that target is then a test of luck rather than skill and its not worth me driving 3 or 4 hrs to rely on luck

Exactly, it should be a test of skill and not luck!!

[Steyr]

The UK's had it pretty much spot on this year (Apart from one notable exception, nice carpark though) What I do hate is turning up to a shoot to find twigs/branches bouncing across the killzone or indeed the target totally obscured, that target is then a test of luck rather than skill and its not worth me driving 3 or 4 hrs to rely on luck

I disagree.

I like it when vegatation is used as a factor and over the arc of the pellet too. You have to think about where that barrel is pointing (NOT WHAT the scope is seeing) and I have had some very fullfilling shots with all sorts of stuff in the way.

I shoot CSFTA which as a rule is a very hard league and this years first shoot at Bisleyy was a pure Peach of a course. Some really top shots had a tough course but it was still set out with all skills and statures having the same crack at the whip.

It is very interesting to see people make the same elemental mistakes and not learn from it even when they are given the information and tips on how to deal with a given situation.

But then, I cant be arsed to travel one end of the country to another for the sake of an HFT and as I work sat's, I cant afford to take the time off to have a 1 day up and 1 day back routine.

Ya pays ya money and ya makes ya choice.

[BobSki]

I must admit i have been slammed on this site for some of the courses i have set but when these same people shoot elswhere they find the courses easier and thier scores go up so i guess if none affiliated clubs put out difficult hft courses then we are doing some good, having said some people complain more appreciate what you are trying to do for them, so i say make courses hard because on the day its the same for everyone

I agree with you whole-heartedly Steve. I for one do enjoy shooting your courses at Kibworth, and using terrain and foliage to stretch the imagination is what makes it interesting. If all the targets were in full view with billiard table "fairways" leading to them from the peg, surely this would make the sport very boring.

You set a great course again today, not easy by any stretch of the imagination, eep it up & thanks for your efforts mate.

[Phil Russell]

I must admit i have been slammed on this site for some of the courses i have set but when these same people shoot elswhere they find the courses easier and thier scores go up so i guess if none affiliated clubs put out difficult hft courses then we are doing some good, having said some people complain more appreciate what you are trying to do for them, so i say make courses hard because on the day its the same for everyone

I hearitly agree with 'rattycatcher'. Superb course today.
I see nothing wrong with club shoots being hard. It is only for a series of shoots eg. national series where a standard must be adhered to to make it a 'level playing field' for all no matter how many series rounds they shoot.

Cheers, Phil

[Big-Rog]

I must admit I quite like the course`s that kibworth and shepworth put on,very challenging and thought provoking much better than just trophy hunting like some people(usualy the people who can`t shoot vey well anyway and moan when they miss)harder the better but you have to cater for all

[Herx77]

I must admit i have been slammed on this site for some of the courses i have set but when these same people shoot elswhere they find the courses easier and thier scores go up so i guess if none affiliated clubs put out difficult hft courses then we are doing some good, having said some people complain more appreciate what you are trying to do for them, so i say make courses hard because on the day its the same for everyone

A course is a course, and difficulty is a state of the mind .
If the courses don't get harder how can you improve your skills, after a while every one starts ending up with the same high scores;but not necessary the same satisfaction in getting it!
HERX77 .

[Steyr]

Difficulty is a state of mind - very Zen

And of course your right.

I love the stuff where i can see people coming to a target and you can see it in the eyes......it is like they have a flashing blue light on thier heads

I am still amazed at how many dont do really simple things like watch the top shooters and see how they take shots, looking a face plates for patterns that tell you so much like wrong range estimation ofr wind effect and the simplest of them all, looking down the side of the barrel to see if the window is clear.

Practice tuff stuff and you will begin to improve the ratio and your confidence will improve.

Suddenly shots that spook become bread and butter.

Start close, get tough and then push the range till it tests, go tough again and push when the improvement shows through.

Most of the battle is in the brain

[Steyr]

I only watched about two minutes. I shoot mostly HFT as I don't like targets being all in full view from a sitting position as in other disciplines and find it boring.

IMO I like courses to be ultra hard with foliage and obstacles in the way and targets placed so you have to consult the HFT karma Sutra book of positions to get a shot off!
I think at least half the targets should make you think, not only what their range is but how obstacles affect the path of the pellet with or without wind.

The trouble is is that all ages and sizes have to be catered for and left hookers as well.

Steve.

Plus 1. You cant make them hard enough for me. The only thing I ask is that I can see the kill or partial. My pet hate is targets turned sideways where it takes skill to get into the KZ but then it becomes a lottery because they have left a load of oxygen between the kill plate and the paddle.

The only other one I took exception too was where the paddle was drilled out in the centre but the way it was hidden, this was not visible unless you looked really hard and through decent glass at that.

There is nothing wrong with leaving an open shot like these - part of the art of course setting is peg position so though the target looks easy, one can make the position a complete b*****D. However, does look like a lack of experience is being shown on that course.