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    Air rifle cylinder laws?

    Found this on Weihrauch's website:

    According to regulations, you must not use the air cylinder longer than 10 years. After 10 years from the manufacturing date the air cylinder must not be used any further, must be emptied (see ”Emptying The Air Cylinder“ p. 19) and sent back to the manufacturer for checking against extra charge. Please note the date of your rifle’s manufacture, or check the date inscribed on the rifle’s air cylinder. (see ”Inscription of the compressed air cylinder“, p. 26). Relevant laws of your country should be followed as well.

    Link here. http://weihrauch-sport.de/englisch/e...te/e_index.htm

    I haven't seen any such regulations in the UK, so guess this applies to Germany, but are there any such laws here?
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    im new to this and only just had my rifle,i dont have a cylinder at the moment only the charged gun but i will be asking a freind who's a diver to see what he thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigger12 View Post
    im new to this and only just had my rifle,i dont have a cylinder at the moment only the charged gun but i will be asking a freind who's a diver to see what he thinks.
    This refers to the rifle's cylinder, not the diving bottle.

    It mentions the dreaded words "European directive" So it could be coming to Blighty.
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    If you send your rifle back to the manufacturer for service the will check the integrity of the cylinder. At least Hull Cartridge an Daystate do. Probably AA and Theoben aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigger12 View Post
    im new to this and only just had my rifle,i dont have a cylinder at the moment only the charged gun but i will be asking a freind who's a diver to see what he thinks.
    i think he might mean the cylinder on the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikarma70 View Post
    i think he might mean the cylinder on the rifle.
    i said i was new to this,lol
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    On reflection, this is probably not a bad idea.
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    It might not be a bad idea, but it's totally un-enforcable. The vast majority of us with PCPs fill them ourselves. It's not like we all go to the dive shop or local RFD to get them filled, so there's no-one to refuse to fill them except ourselves...
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    No current UK re-testing regulations apply to pressure cylinders under 2" diameter, I investigated this when first looking at PCPs
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    cylinders

    This came up some while ago when I belive some Anshutz cyinders (aledgedly! I state for legal reasons although it is well documented) went pop. It is on every one of the target gun manufacturers sites FWB, Walther, etc, and Anschutz also have a picture of a blown cylinder if any one thinks its a joke.
    The Anschutz cylinders were (aledgedly) defective ones and they will replace certain cylinders manufactured at certain dates free of charge, but this then set the beaurocratic Effing Safety machine going in Germany. These cylinders originally escaped legislation due to their size but with pressures of 4000 psi and being continualy pressured up and down, and with moisture also present the risk was recognised and the directive you have seen was the result. The single biggest action was the major manufacturers setting a 10 year life, this is almost certainly for their own legal protection, not our safety.
    It came to a head last year when the ISSF started to enforce it at most big events, World Cup, Europeans, etc, the Germans in particular with great enthusiasm. It is unlikely to effect any one other than serious target shooters at the higher levels, I am not sure ( this is an opinion, not fact) but I do not believe it is enforcable in UK law, I think gun cylinders are too small under our law. It has effected the resale value of older PCP target guns as the cylinders have to be inside the 10 year rule, or replaced or serviced by the manufacturers.
    BUT, in the event of an incident where no direct legislation applies, the HSE may apply the "best practice" rules and this could fall with in this area, I am a retired H&S manager for a major PLC and in the knowledge of the Anschutz incidents and the European action I would advise any manufacturer to give this some serious consideration. The European action is about ass covering and if I was a manufacturer I would do the same.
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    The 4 mentioned above are all bomb proof tubes and pass the 1 1/2 times fill ratio ie 200 bar fill actually designed and tested at over 300 bar.
    More than i can say for quite a few other manufacturers UK and foreign.
    If it were law think of all the 10's of thousands of recalls and add to that all over 10 years old, many with one piece tubes.

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    Anschutz have had a defect and have been attempting to recall for some time.
    The directive is a kneejerk reaction to what has happened to Anschutz even though their problem was defective manufacture.
    There will be no other recalls for out of date cylinders, no more than there are recalls for cars with out of date MoT's, the way it works is that cylinders are being checked at equipment control at competitions and past 10 year date cylinders are being failed. This is having an effect on S/H guns, on mainland Europe, guns sold as S/H must also have date left on the cylinder other wise they must have the cylinder inspected by the manufacturer (not an agent or shop) and redated or replaced. Private sale guns with out of date cylinders are being devalued by the cost involved, generaly a new cylinder.
    As I said I don't believe it impacts any one here unless they compete at higher levels, BUT, I think it will soon. It won't effect the game shooter or plinker or the club shooters, until perhaps the insurance companies pick it up. I was going to put a "what if" scenario on here but decided that it would be politicaly risky and better not to do so, I am a retired professional in H&S law and my professional guidance to any gun shop would be to seriously consider whether they wish to sell S/H PCP guns with cylinders over 10 years old.
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    As far as i've been able to ascertain the testing regulations only come into force on pressure cylinders over 500cc, most current pcp rifles will be a lot less than this, even the biggest theoben buddy bottle of 500cc will be ok. it's down to the individual to decide wether he wants his equipment to be tested. I test my own by filling them inside an old cut down 12l divers tank which failed it's test, i simply connect the filling hose to the cylinder and wrap it in bubble wrap, insert into the old tank which is then laid flat on the floor and covered in carpet mats, fill to the test pressure (290 - 300 bar) and once filled bleed off the air until it's at it's MFP (200 bar). I've never had one fail yet (touch wood) even the ones which have been modded for any reason. ie, regs fitted, guages fitted, new plugs, valves or seals etc etc.

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