mystery rifle id help and any info please

[jonballs]

i have these rifles which i know nothing about

http://img684.imageshack.us/g/dscf3905.jpg/

the shorter one with the hex barrel at the breech end is 41 inches long with a 16 inch barrel and is smoothbore

the longer one is 42 inches long with a 17 inch barrel

i thought they might be " Roland's" but they are not the same as in hillier`s book , some similarity's as to a greener and i believe Roland's have been sold as greeners. what these are i have no idea
can anyone shed some light on them,
many thanks in advance
cheers
Jon

[junglie]

well ,you learn something new every day eh? sorry i hav'nt a clue what they are but if someone told me about a break barrel with tap loading i'd doubt it, but here's the proof in the pics, look well made whatever they are,thanks for posting the pics.

[DCL_dave]

well ,you learn something new every day eh? sorry i hav'nt a clue what they are but if someone told me about a break barrel with tap loading i'd doubt it, but here's the proof in the pics, look well made whatever they are,thanks for posting the pics.

What looks like a tap is actually a barrel lock-up. The top one looks very similar to the "Marko" (on page 156 of Hiller's excellent book) as attributed to Oscar Will/Wilheyn Foss, Venuswaffenwerk, Zella-Mehlis (Thuringria), Germany...not sure about the bottom one but I'll keep looking

HTH,
Dave

[hwvixen]

Hi Jon,

My guess is a couple of "Marco's"/Tell's.....probably made by Oscar Will.ATB,Chris.

[hwvixen]

Must type faster......

[DCL_dave]

Must type faster......

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[hwvixen]

Dam you DCL....your digits are pherno..stupen....firkin fast..

[jonballs]

they have corresponding numbers under the barrel breech face , and the trigger block , i`ll get it under the loupe and see if i can find anything else , i`ll try to get some more photos up on Sunday if that will help or if you need a close up of any part , let me know

cheers
Jon