After more time with these scopes the eye adjustment seems pretty important to play with, to suit your own eyes, they seem more sensitive than most but the rewards are worth it. My boys have massively different eyes, the eldest has brilliant and I do mean brilliant eyesight the younger of the two has just plain old average eyesight, it's more critical for the younger of the two. The eldest just seemed to drop lucky immediately he says a little blurry at under 10yards but great up to 45yards he has his parallax set at 23 ish yards, I'm pretty sure there is a better compromise for HFT if he sets his parallax at maybe 20 sharper for the closer sometimes tougher targets and the 45 yard targets have big kill zones anyway. The younger son was more difficult to get into the sweet spot for his eyes but he's happy with it now. Head position is important but they are certainly no worse then my Leupold. I'm still of the opinion that these are good scopes and for what they offer excellent value for money.
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