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That's not to say that it can well keep with the "Big Guns" at any competition in the right hands.A good tuned AA400 will cost about the same and they can really hold their own.The only reason the likes of Styer-Walther and the like charge so much is because they can.Originally Posted by Globalstar66
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RICH,if good weather mate i'll be there. we got more work to for gp7 yet.
jimmer
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just picked mine up today can you tell me how much you had to pack the scope on youre bsa many thanks.garry
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Thicker than you would think.a mm i should think. Maybe later some one like john pardoe will make bespoke rails to level things.
Pm me your power as mine was on the money and this morning checked against the bfta chrono and spot on. Ian penrose was down about 25-30 fps.
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Yes I fully agree with that statement - just saying it was not AIMED at the very top shooters...according to Walther, it should be "pitched" as an entry-to mid-level rifle...
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I agree most top shooters won't be using one,but wouldn't it be great to see new shooters putting the wind up them using an AR20 as their first gun.Yes I fully agree with that statement - just saying it was not AIMED at the very top shooters...according to Walther, it should be "pitched" as an entry-to mid-level rifle...
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Cheek of it. are you implying that the famed Jimmer (AA grade locally and nationally) is not a top shooter?
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I know I've worded it wrong of course an AA grader will use them. I meant the likes of Andy Calpin,James Osbourne,Dan Eley and other house hold names. I know plenty of AA shooters that wouldn't think twice about using one. I can't wait to see them on the circuit and maybe have a go of one.Cheek of it. are you implying that the famed Jimmer (AA grade locally and nationally) is not a top shooter?
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Nope, not at all...Cheek of it. are you implying that the famed Jimmer (AA grade locally and nationally) is not a top shooter?
Just nice to have more choice in "budget oriented" equipment available, especially in South Africa...
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Hammerli AR20
I want one........
going to sell a kidney and my right leg for one.
If you cant beat the rest, then join them, thats what they have done.
Well done Hammeril and Walther......
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Guys, just a little more info....
Remember that the factory was closed for almost a month for their summer holidays. I ordered a bunch for South Africa just when the factory re-opened 2 weeks ago, and there's a 4-5 week lead time, plus shipping time, so it's not available "daily"
We had a "champion of champions" shoot this past weekend - a LOT of fun. 20 shots benchrest, 10 shots grouping over bench at 50 meters, 10 shots grouping sitting FT style also at 50 meters, 20 silhouette targets at various distances and 20 targets FT.
After the shoot, I gave the AR20FT to a number of guys wanting to try it out. All were shooting at 50 meters in a mild breeze.
3 guys managed to shoot 5-shot groups of under 12mm at 50 meters (side-side) or 7.5mm centre to centre.
I also gave it to 2 of our National team members to try out. Hennie (he had 3rd higest score at the FT Worlds held here in 2009, and ended 5th after a shootout with Mark Basset and Dave Combrink also from SA) was very pleased with the AR20's incredible accuracy.
Lukas Richter (the other member of our National team) also shot an incredible 12mm group. I had a 14 year old girl shoot a ONE HOLE 5-shot group in the FT sitting position with the rifle at 38 meters. That was something special to see.
Anyway, as I have stated on here before - it should be noted that although this rifle is incredibly accurate, it IS being marketed by Umarex as an ENTRY to MID level rifle, and is not supposed to compete (sales wise) or fiinsh quality wise with a Walther Alutec Dominator, Steyr LG110, or Anschutz. Those more expensive rifles with better finish and looks, will always have a place in the market.
What this AR20FT does well, is give many people an entry into FT with a REGULATED FT rifle, unlike an S200 or S400.
Yes, the trigger blade is not that great, and fortunately can very easily be changed to whatever floats your boat. I didn't even like the trigger blades on my Dommi, my Steyr LG110 or my Anschutz, and replaced all of them with TEC-HRO trigger blades, so "pick your poison".
Also, yes it doesn't have a DOMMI regulator, but the Walther LG1250 reg supplied, is very very consistent, and on the demo rifle I have here, gives only a 4fps spread over 20 shots. That is quite awesome in my books. It comes with a fairly heavy 750 gram medium size 300 bar Walther STEEL cylinder, which is good for 150 shots. I had to buy an aluminium short cylinder for my Dommi, as I hated the 950 gram MAXI STEEL cylinder on my Dommi too.
I put the Aluminium cylinder of my Dommi on the AR20FT, and MAN, what a difference it makes to overall balance. Alu cylinder is only 400 grams. BUT, it costs almost EUR200 extra - for that extra price, not really worth it. The AR20FT cannot yet be ordered with ALU cylinder in place of steel YET - but hopefully in the future, you'd be able to order with ALU cylinder instead of steel, and pay in just the difference in price.
Cocking lever is NOT great at first - it's very stiff indeed. My demo's is still very stiff and relatively hard to cock, BUT the one I handled at the IWA show in Germany in March, had been softened up a lot, and was actually very easy to cock "one-handed", so I suspect with some time, it will become a lot easier to cock.
Yes, rail is a cheap one, but costs nothing really, and a lot of guys will shoot without the rail, as many shoot the LG110 without the Steyr rail. And, the supplied rail is not that bad at all.
Lastly, laying out only GBP600 (for you guys in any case) is NOT expensive for getting a rifle as accurate as this. It will certainly make AA and some other manufacturers take note - a full Ft-ready, regulated 300bar, fully adjustable trigger and fully adjustable stock for not much more than an S400....
Good luck to all of you that bought them. For those that are still wondering - just buy it. It's THAT GREAT for the price you're paying!!!
Cheers
Robbie
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Had a play with one today and was impressed. There was virtually no wind and after a few shots tried it at 55yds the first 3 pellets clover leafed. Capable of thumbnail at 55yds groups even with me shooting it. A better shot would certainly achieve tighter groups.
Trigger was factory set and was heavier than I like, but it broke cleanly with no creep. I could live with it. The cheek piece is just high enough for a big Nikko or similar type of scope. Would need a mod if you like to use raiser blocks. The hamster is pathetic far to narrow, but easily sorted.
I didn't mind the weight its a bit like shooting a mark 2 Pro Target with the steel shroud on. Shot one of those for years so the fact its a bit nose heavy didn’t bother me. A bit of weight on the rear would adjust the balance. A butt hook would help.
I had no problem cocking it once I realised it is really short stroked and only needed to pull the bolt back about 6mm. At first I expected it to travel a lot further so ended up pulling against the stops, which made it feel heavy. I found that hooking my thumb over the cocking bolt worked a treat, maybe that pulled the bolt more central.
I'd have one.
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I got a chance to look at and shoot one recently and I was impressed with it.
As said, the cocking is a little stiff and the gun is a little front heavy. With a shorter lighter cylinder it could be fantastic. Lock time seemed really quick, trigger was very good and a nice design. I think with a price like that, we will be seeing many more of them!
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