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Gases other than air, just say 'NO!'...

During the past couple of weeks I've spoken to two people who advocated the use of gases other than air in precharged pneumatics. One of them told me that 'all my mates use........' and he named two gasses which he claimed 'improved' the performance of his gun.

I asked both callers which other gasses they'd tried, and one had tried oxygen, the other 'knew someone' who had used acetylene. I kid you not. Both of these morons also claimed that they knew what they were doing with gasses. Both were told in no uncertain terms what their status really was, and I suspect both put down the phone with a very much reduced opinion of me.

Now, for at least the tenth time since the BBS has existed, can we nail this one right here, right now?

Forget the alleged 'advantages' of one gas over another, forget the 'but this gas is inert' protestations and forget completely any idiotic notions of me, and the airgun industry, wishing to hold back the march of progress. The fact is, experimentation with gases other than air WILL lead to someone getting severely injured and possibly killed.

The guns are already out-shooting us by miles and air-power is safe, manageable and perfectly capable of providing all we need. Sticking with divers' quality compressed air ONLY, keeps the safety message clear and un-muddied by life or death lessons in chemistry.

Please, stay safe, promote safety and never join the ranks of the dangerously moronic. Above all, never, ever use anything but clean, dry air in a precharged pneumatic airgun.

Sorry about the sermon, but I'd rather bore you than leave you open to the influence of potential Darwin award winners.

Terry Doe.

Don't offer to buy, or try to sell off the back of a valuation thread

Hi. Am posting this to clarify things. When a valuation thread is posted, it must be treated as that, and nothing more. Once an owner of an item has a sound valuation figure, if they then wish to sell, they must start a fresh sales thread in either the main sales section, or if a collectable, in the collectors section, or with my blessing (if it is a collectable), in both . Turning a valuation thread into a sales thread will result in a one week holiday.

Similarly anyone posting on a valuation thread, that they would like to buy an item in question, irrespective of their motivation, is also unfortunately going to get themselves a one week holiday from the BBS. Asking an owner to let you know when they offer their item for sale, too, will imo constitute offering to buy off the back of a valuation thread, so please don't do it . Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Gareth W-B (o.b.o. The Airgun BBS Admin Team).

Common sense in distance selling and easy ways to lose your money:

1. You are essentially giving that sum of money to a bloke in the pub who you've never met, who lives many miles away, and is promising to go home and send you an item some days later. You'd laugh at this concept, but you do it on here simply because the person has joined an internet site and claims to be a shooter. errrrrrrrrr hellooooooooo

2. If you do this and the person asks you to pay via paypal as a gift, he is pretty much asking you to waive any right or redress to save a couple of quid. Errr helloooooooooooooo

3. The police won't help. It will come down to a civil claim, and the best you'll get is a fiver a week which will stop coming after a few weeks and your back in court, or you'll just give up. Your "mates" on here won't go and break his legs despite lots of offers.

4. Don't rely on the mods. We are not Judge Dredd, all we can do is ban the scrote, but he'll probably come back to take another lame beast from the herd

Solution: Don't send your hard earned cash to somebody hundreds of miles away who can't be verified by a trusted member. It's a simple gamble, I'd prefer to wait for the item to come on sale closer


Posting rules

If the item goes missing in the post, you have a problem unless you have insured it for the full value. If you have to gamble then it's not much of a bargain is it? The law says proof of postage is not proof of delivery, but for a private deal this offers little protection. You MUST clarify the delivery terms - is the deal concluded when the item is posted or when it arrives?. This then identifies who takes the risk. Personally, if I sell something on here, my sense of honour means I take responsibility until it is delivered and as such post insured, building this into the price. However in some cases the BUYER could ask "I'll have it, knock £20 off and post uninsured" <<His problem>> or the seller could offer "OK I'll knock £20 off and post uninsured at your risk <<Buyers problem>>" Make sure the terms are agreed, that way if both parties are honest there is no unpleasantness afterwards

Honourable misunderstandings

If the seller mis-describes the goods he is liable for all costs and a return of the purchase fee, that is common sense, and there is no negotiation on here over that. However, where there is a genuine and equal misunderstanding it is fair that the out of pocket costs are borne equally and the item returned with no bad feeling.

Gary C.

New members and sales sections

The mods are often contacted by members who have items listed in the sales sections, asking us to check out members who have offered to buy/sell but who themselves have zero posts.

We cannot properly check members who have no posts, because all we have to go by are the member supplied registration details. Members who have posted, though, can be checked, using information from their posts, This gives us a better chance of identifying returned members who were banned for 'trading irregularities', and who hope to fly under the mod's radar by not posting, but conducting deals purely through PMs, and so not leaving details that can identify them.

Because of this, we have taken the decision to deny sales access to members who have no or so few posts that their posts are moderated. This will include new members, as well as those who have been on the BBS some time but never posted. We understand that this will disappoint new members who are still moderated, but it only takes a few (four) posts to become approved members and enjoy full access, and it will help protect everyone from the few cheats who pollute not only the BBS but all airgun forum sites, and who we do our level best to keep out.

New members: When you've had four posts approved, the system checks hourly for new members with four or more posts, and automatically approves your BBS membership. You will then be able to read, and post in, the sales sections.

BTDT.

Sales sections, Lost your access?

If you are reading this you may currently be experiencing difficulty seeing the Sales sections and wondering why?

It is strictly forum policy that you must have an acceptable location in your public profile, as per the extract below.


Fraud Warning

Occasionally, members are banned for trading irregularities. Some of them sneak back onto the BBS using a different user name, Internet Service Provider and email address.

To make it easier for the mods to spot them, we introduced a rule that all members who wish to use the sales and wanted sections MUST give their nearest (postal) town in their user profile.

If you see an advert that does not show a postal town at the top right of the screen, please feel free to either place a post on the thread to remind the thread starter to fill in their user profile (this will NOT be deemed as 'interfering' with a sales thread) or PM a mod with the details. Members who refuse to comply with this rule will either lose access to the sales areas or be banned.

When responding to an advert, check that the town given in the shipping address is the same as the town given in the seller's user profile. If it is not, you are strongly advised not to progress with the transaction and to PM me with details. "

If you do not have an acceptable location in your profile you may lose access without warning. To request access, first correct the error using the user CP and edit your details, then pm a member of the Admin Team to request it be granted again.