'Best' CO2 multishot?

[sol1821]

I'm glad you Colt boys got over your coughs.

What did you take for it? A Smith and Wesson?

Jim

if i lived in the states that be the first gun id buy.
cant see a semi auto being any good for home defence.

[Jim McArthur]

if i lived in the states that be the first gun id buy.
cant see a semi auto being any good for home defence.

Emphatically agreed!

I don't like semiautos. I admit that is a prejudice on my part, but all prejudices are not without foundation, and my prejudice against autoloaders is based on many, many first hand instances of seeing them jam in the hands of others, and having them jam in my own.

Smith, Ruger, Taurus, Colt, all do or used to make top or good quality revolvers. A good .22, .32, .38. or .357 revolver, depending on the intended use. will take care of any situation a civilian will encounter: certain target shooting events excepted.

Jim

[Paul55]

Emphatically agreed!

I don't like semiautos. I admit that is a prejudice on my part, but all prejudices are not without foundation, and my prejudice against autoloaders is based on many, many first hand instances of seeing them jam in the hands of others, and having them jam in my own.

Smith, Ruger, Taurus, Colt, all do or used to make top or good quality revolvers. A good .22, .32, .38. or .357 revolver, depending on the intended use. will take care of any situation a civilian will encounter: certain target shooting events excepted.

Jim

Have you ever tried a Glock? They must be the most boring looking pistol in the world, IMO, but when I read the tests they had to go through to be accepted by the Austrian military as a service pistol I was amazed

Check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

For me the most iconic design has to be the Colt 1911, for a design to have endured so long it was a classic at birth.

I have to agree with you though that if I had to possess something for personal protection it would a small revolver, ultra reliable when you most need it.

[Jim McArthur]

Have you ever tried a Glock? They must be the most boring looking pistol in the world, IMO, but when I read the tests they had to go through to be accepted by the Austrian military as a service pistol I was amazed

Check here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_pistol

For me the most iconic design has to be the Colt 1911, for a design to have endured so long it was a classic at birth.

I have to agree with you though that if I had to possess something for personal protection it would a small revolver, ultra reliable when you most need it.

I've never owned or fired a Glock, Pad.

Over the years, I've owned: a Colt Government Model .45: a Colt .380 Pony:
a High Standard Military Citation .22: a Keltec 9mm: and a Keltec .380.

The Citation jammed about 1 round per magazine. The Pony jammed about 50% of the time. The Keltec 9 functioned flawlessly with full metal jackets, but sometimes jammed with hollow points. The Keltec .380 jammed occasionally with either FMJ or hollowpoints.

The only one that never jammed - though I have to add that I never fired anything in it but FMJ - was the .45 Colt.

I used to keep it in my bedroom dresser for protection.

One day at the range it went off - while I was pointing it downrange at the target, but do not consciously remember pulling the trigger, though obviously I did: the pistol wasn't "possessed". And, I'd never had any sort of trigger work done on it to tighten or lighten the pull.

But that's a second thing that caused me to shy away from auto pistols: not only do they frequently malfunction, but it takes only a very little trigger pressure to make that cocked and loaded gun go off!

There's a saying that to have an accident with a revolver, you have to be either very careless, or very stupid: but to have an accident with an autoloader,you have to be only a little careless, or a little stupid.

Jim

[OLD JUD]

I've never owned or fired a Glock, Pad.

Over the years, I've owned: a Colt Government Model .45: a Colt .380 Pony:
a High Standard Military Citation .22: a Keltec 9mm: and a Keltec .380.

The Citation jammed about 1 round per magazine. The Pony jammed about 50% of the time. The Keltec 9 functioned flawlessly with full metal jackets, but sometimes jammed with hollow points. The Keltec .380 jammed occasionally with either FMJ or hollowpoints.

The only one that never jammed - though I have to add that I never fired anything in it but FMJ - was the .45 Colt.

I used to keep it in my bedroom dresser for protection.

One day at the range it went off - while I was pointing it downrange at the target, but do not consciously remember pulling the trigger, though obviously I did: the pistol wasn't "possessed". And, I'd never had any sort of trigger work done on it to tighten or lighten the pull.

But that's a second thing that caused me to shy away from auto pistols: not only do they frequently malfunction, but it takes only a very little trigger pressure to make that cocked and loaded gun go off!

There's a saying that to have an accident with a revolver, you have to be either very careless, or very stupid: but to have an accident with an autoloader,you have to be only a little careless, or a little stupid.

Jim

There's an old saying on your side of the pond Jim, and you've just reinforced it....
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'It's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it'

[Korium]

that can only be revolver

Not really. Worst case scenario, you have to cock the hammer or pop the safety, if it's cocked and locked (S/A 1911 and Browning HP are very popular). A lot of modern self loaders are D/A anyway, so one simply pulls the trigger with a round chambered.

There are a few concerns about leaving them cocked 24/7, but it can't be too much of an issue, otherwise few people would opt for one. Revolvers are also not something that's very easy to sort out if they develop a fault during firing, unlike a self loader (generally).

One other good reason to use a pistol is they are easy to fit a torch/flash light to.

not only do they frequently malfunction, but it takes only a very little trigger pressure to make that cocked and loaded gun go off!

There's a saying that to have an accident with a revolver, you have to be either very careless, or very stupid: but to have an accident with an autoloader,you have to be only a little careless, or a little stupid.

Depends a lot on quality. I doubt you would have many issues with Sig, H&K or Beretta; they all do D/A pistols and a few can probably have stress triggers fitted, so it would be unlikely to ND.

I don't like S/A pistols much for safety. A lot of people do manage to carry them cocked without incident, but D/A is definitely an improvement on them.

More modern self loaders are relatively safe, and a lot have a de-cocker to prevent the hammer slipping when manually dropped.

[sol1821]

Not really. Worst case scenario, you have to cock the hammer or pop the safety, if it's cocked and locked (S/A 1911 and Browning HP are very popular). A lot of modern self loaders are D/A anyway, so one simply pulls the trigger with a round chambered.

There are a few concerns about leaving them cocked 24/7, but it can't be too much of an issue, otherwise few people would opt for one. Revolvers are also not something that's very easy to sort out if they develop a fault during firing, unlike a self loader (generally).

One other good reason to use a pistol is they are easy to fit a torch/flash light to.



Depends a lot on quality. I doubt you would have many issues with Sig, H&K or Beretta; they all do D/A pistols and a few can probably have stress triggers fitted, so it would be unlikely to ND.

I don't like S/A pistols much for safety. A lot of people do manage to carry them cocked without incident, but D/A is definitely an improvement on them.

More modern self loaders are relatively safe, and a lot have a de-cocker to prevent the hammer slipping when manually dropped.

The point of a home deffence gun is that its left in your house loaded for when you need it dpesnt nedsiseraly need to be cocked as that only takes a fraction of a second to do. The thing is the guns goint to be sat there untill its needed or is taken out to clean. Ive never shot q real pistol but common sence and gcse physics tell me that if the spring in the mag has been depressed for a long period of time its not going to function properly. And i would imagin a lot of stopages are caused by the mag not doing what it should be.
so unless i had time to have a few spare mags and rotate the full one around on a regular basis id just go for a revolver.

Ill edit all the typos later, on my phone at the mo wnd the touch screen must be disigned for daintyer people

[magicniner]

The point of a home deffence gun is that its left in your house loaded for when you need it dpesnt nedsiseraly need to be cocked as that only takes a fraction of a second to do. The thing is the guns goint to be sat there untill its needed or is taken out to clean. Ive never shot q real pistol but common sence and gcse physics tell me that if the spring in the mag has been depressed for a long period of time its not going to function properly. And i would imagin a lot of stopages are caused by the mag not doing what it should be.
so unless i had time to have a few spare mags and rotate the full one around on a regular basis id just go for a revolver.

Ill edit all the typos later, on my phone at the mo wnd the touch screen must be disigned for daintyer people

Sol,
I can see the logic there, but if I lived in a country where a full bore pistol was an option I wouldn't be leaving mags loaded for long, I'd have two or three sets of mags (or more) for competitions & rotate the mags left loaded on my thrice-weekly evening visit to my local range
If I seriously wanted total reliability then I'd keep a snub nosed revolver as a backup, or a second 1911 for "New York Reloads" in the event of a failure
ATB,
Nick

[Korium]

The point of a home defence gun is that its left in your house loaded for when you need it doesn't necessarily need to be cocked as that only takes a fraction of a second to do. The thing is the guns going to be sat there until its needed or is taken out to clean. I've never shot q real pistol but common sense and gcse physics tell me that if the spring in the mag has been depressed for a long period of time its not going to function properly. And i would imagin a lot of stopages are caused by the mag not doing what it should be.
so unless i had time to have a few spare mags and rotate the full one around on a regular basis id just go for a revolver.

You should be doing a certain amount of practise and drills with it, even if it is to be kept at home. The magazines tend to be built with longevity in mind, so it would take a bit longer than a few days to damage the springs.

I think the G17 only has around 34 parts overall, so one can maintain them quite easily. As a budget option, people recondition them from S/H. Revolvers certainly have their benefits, but pistols have had a good century to catch up, and the ammo has improved too...

Hmm, I say all this about self loaders, and have just spent an afternoon struggling to get one (shotgun) working.

[Jim McArthur]

The Umarex 'autos' that fire pellets are of course revolvers really!

Yep! But the Umarex PPK BB pistol is a true semiautomatic.

Jim

[ikarma70]

Yep! But the Umarex PPK BB pistol is a true semiautomatic.

Jim

So is my Steyr but it hits everything I aim at

[Jim McArthur]

So is my Steyr but it hits everything I aim at

My PPK hits close to most of what I aim at, but hits about 3 inches higher than where I'm aiming.

Jim