'Best' CO2 multishot?

[Paul55]

the co2 dan wesson is a beast of a pistol, reaches 50 ms and still has enough power to sting, dont believe that bbs are non lethal, seen a tooth shot out at med range when somebody opned his mouth at airsoft at the wrong time!! and blood drawn loads of times, and some guns are doing 19 rounds per second aeg assult rilfes thats a lot of bbs in the air at any time

had several multi shot co2 airpistols, not bad for garden plinking but not target quality
the bbs in plastic or .177 steel are great for speed shoting you can keep a tin can moving very nicely

theres several very good co2 target pistols as well, I had the co2 rohm trainer great gun for 10m ranges.

I have gone to CO2 pistols for airsofting for the relability they dont gas out so often as green gas guns

4.5mm BBs can be lethal, Airsoft Pistols firing 6mm BBs are NOT, fact

The maximum for an airsoft pistol is 1 joule. It is this power that defines an airsoft pistol not the 6mm BB.

Co2 pistols using 6mm BBs are NOT airsoft, the Dan Wesson is a powerful pistol, the Ruger Superhawk is an animal, both are definately not airsoft.

Please get your facts right.

[TRS1]

Thanks for all your thoughts so far chaps....

So far I'm swaying to the CP88 competition, but keep your suggestions coming....

I'm definately not after an airsoft, just so people know. I have a couple from about 5 years ago that I need to shift, but it seems a bit of a pain doing it legally!

[Bessa]

Good choice.
I dont have a vested interest in the CP88 or Umarex....its just the general view of the 30 or so members of the club.
Some of the more compact models may look better but they simply dont generate enough power and accuracy in comparsion with the CP88. (Barrels too short)
However...to fans of other similar guns...this type of gun really doesnt need power and accuracy to have repeating fun plinking sessions.
Im just working from the comparison view.
For the record the CP88 comp managed 423 fps with Hobby pellets
Berretta 385 fps
CP99 330fps
PPK 283 fps
S&W 8 inch barrel 421fps
Gamo P23 380 fps with balls
Anics approached 480 fps with balls (4.5mm balls only) but were very agricultural with massive triiger weights......maybe 10lb pulls!
Cant offer more advice....theyre the only models tested over the years outside of the Target Gas stuff.

[ikarma70]

I'd have to say the S&W 586 for the following reasons.

1. Choice of barrel length, 6'' being the best.
2. 10 shots instead of 8 from the other Umarex co2 pistols.
3. Best sights as standard of any of the Umarex range(elevation and windage plus 3 foresight blade widths) and they also can't move as they are securely screwed in place.
4. Very good trigger.
5. Barrel screws into the frame and the shroud is securely located onto the barrel muzzle thread hence the reason why the foresight can't go anywhere.
6. Easier to remove a jammed pellet due to the easy barrel removal.

Lastly when you buy a Smith, you really are buying a revolver and not an 8 shot revolver disguised as a semi auto.

[treebeard]

I'd have to say the S&W 586 for the following reasons.

1. Choice of barrel length, 6'' being the best.
2. 10 shots instead of 8 from the other Umarex co2 pistols.
3. Best sights as standard of any of the Umarex range(elevation and windage plus 3 foresight blade widths) and they also can't move as they are securely screwed in place.
4. Very good trigger.
5. Barrel screws into the frame and the shroud is securely located onto the barrel muzzle thread hence the reason why the foresight can't go anywhere.
6. Easier to remove a jammed pellet due to the easy barrel removal.

Lastly when you buy a Smith, you really are buying a revolver and not an 8 shot revolver disguised as a semi auto.

i have to second the above.
rob

[Bessa]

The Smith is def well made. Returns 10 shots and matches the power and accuracy of the CP88. The Trigger also matches the CP88 which is about the about the best there is on these type guns.
Incidently the stylish curve of the CP88 trigger was much prefered to the blocky Colt.
However, the only way the Smith can match the CP88 is with that 8 inch barrel....where it becomes one big handful in balance terms.
The 6 inch Smith on the otherhand....although 6 inch like the CP88 doesnt quite make the same power....about 390fps. I think its because there is a bigger gap between the mag and the breech face...thus you need the full 8 inches to make the same M.V.

Even so....can see why the Smith has its fans....its a strong contender and i wouldnt argue much of case for the CP88 being better.

[ikarma70]

Mr. Bessa, I have noticed a recurring theme regarding your replies to this thread and you seem to be focused on power and muzzle velocities, none of which means a thing if you can't hit your desired target.

Muzzle velocities vary from shot to shot due to co2 temperature,pellet tolerances, pellet weight, head sizes, the list goes on but the Smith has another big plus point.....price!

A new CP88 6'' black or nickel costs around £200 and then if you want fully adjustable sights like the Smith(fitted as standard no extra cost) you have to pay an extra £50 ish so that's £250 whereas the Smith is roughly £180.

Forgot this one....you can also fit genuine Millet sights from the full bore Smith 586 to the co2 Smith with a minor modification which makes the Smith more accurate.

[Paul55]

I'd have to say the S&W 586 for the following reasons.

1. Choice of barrel length, 6'' being the best.
2. 10 shots instead of 8 from the other Umarex co2 pistols.
3. Best sights as standard of any of the Umarex range(elevation and windage plus 3 foresight blade widths) and they also can't move as they are securely screwed in place.
4. Very good trigger.
5. Barrel screws into the frame and the shroud is securely located onto the barrel muzzle thread hence the reason why the foresight can't go anywhere.
6. Easier to remove a jammed pellet due to the easy barrel removal.

Lastly when you buy a Smith, you really are buying a revolver and not an 8 shot revolver disguised as a semi auto.

Very well put +1

[gordon]

4.5mm BBs can be lethal, Airsoft Pistols firing 6mm BBs are NOT, fact

The maximum for an airsoft pistol is 1 joule. It is this power that defines an airsoft pistol not the 6mm BB.

Co2 pistols using 6mm BBs are NOT airsoft, the Dan Wesson is a powerful pistol, the Ruger Superhawk is an animal, both are definately not airsoft.

Please get your facts right.

Just bought a Superhawk 8" nickel,just a tad powerful

[Paul55]

Just bought a Superhawk 8" nickel,just a tad powerful

Catches you out at first, doesn't it

[magicniner]

Were I to live somewhere where it was possible to hold full bore pistols I'd go for a 1911A1, an SV 1911 with double stack mag, possibly a Browning 9mm and a short revolver backup
I'm a big fan of capacity
Nick

[sol1821]

Id choose a semi auto for everyday use where mags wouldnt be filled for long periods of time, but for home defence you need something thats ready to go in an instant and that can only be revolver

[Jim McArthur]

Id choose a semi auto for everyday use where mags wouldnt be filled for long periods of time, but for home defence you need something thats ready to go in an instant and that can only be revolver

The mags tend to stay filled unless you shoot them empty or cycle them out through the pistol. So you have to either get to a rural area or a range quite often, or work this tricky and dangerous operation quite often.

Revolvers can be loaded and unloaded very easily.

Jim

[Jim McArthur]

Were I to live somewhere where it was possible to hold full bore pistols I'd go for a 1911A1, an SV 1911 with double stack mag, possibly a Browning 9mm and a short revolver backup
I'm a big fan of capacity
Nick

Unless you planned to keep them solely in your home, business, or vehicle, Nick, you'd be surprised what a royal pain in the arse carrying even one of those guns would be.

I have a carry permit. My carry pistol is a tiny North American Arms single action revolver, in .22 magnum. It holds only 5 rounds: is hard to hit anything with: and is impossible to reload quickly (although I do carry 5 extra rounds for it, in a pouch in my holster).

So, why do I carry it?

Because I will carry it.

It weights only a few ounces, and is only about 4 inches long. It's so small and light I have to reach into my pocket to verify that I'm carrying it! And I ALWAYS carry it, unless I'm making a plane trip or otherwise going somewhere my permit's invalid. No visible holster, no need to cover it up with a jacket, etc.

It's in my pocket as I type this.

I sometimes think of the many people who have known me for years, and have seen me hundreds of times, who have never seen me that I wasn't carrying a gun. But who never knew that I was!

Jim

[Paul55]

So, why do I carry it?

Because I will carry it.

Jim

I'm sure this is a silly question Jim, but do you need to carry it? Is it that "iffy" where you live or is this the normal way of life out there?

No offence meant, I'm just curious.