Lothar Walther vs. Smooth Twist

[lionel]

Well blow me down I expect that I had better ditch all my rifle barrels and buy a smooth bore with a bit of choke in the end.

Kids with airguns, gullible, and fools easily parted with their brass springs to mind.

People are just trying to compare two different makes of barrel - who's gullible?

If you have any evidence that the smoothtwist barrel is inferior in some way to the Walther I'd be very interested in seeing it.

[jay2k123]

christ almighty i'm sure i dont clean my .270 in 150 rounds .stop arguing ladies about pop gun barrels.....kiddin kinda but cmon

[greenman]

"christ almighty i'm sure i dont clean my .270 in 150 rounds .stop arguing ladies about pop gun barrels.....kiddin kinda but cmon "......oh my! i thought this attitude was long dead...if you read a few of the threads on here you will understand...education is all.Hate ignorance.

[Flashash]

If you look at the review of the FX Independence in Airgun Shooter you will see that the Smooth Twist Barrel grouped very badly. I wouldn't touch it.

[rodp]

One other thing that should be taken in to consideration regarding all the hype about smooth twist barrels is ease / cost of manufacturing. If they are (and the hype says they are) just externally formed without dies / cutting tools etc the speed, and therefore cost, of manufacturing will be greatly reduced.
When it comes to profit wording can be manipulated to mean a lot of things

Regarding all the articles about smooth twist, I would take it all with a pinch of salt at the moment. All the reviews and articles so far (that I have seen) have been in magazines and magazines rely on advertising (both current and future), read into that what you will.

I've never seen a smooth twist, let alone tried one, but when I do I'll bear in mind that there's a lot of external forces that can / will try to influence peoples opinion of them.

[Ian Johnstone]

they are MORE expensive to produce than standard barrels, the special 'blanks' (in fact specialist tubing) costs nearly as much as a LW rifled blank (ie. the unworked FX balnks cost nearly as much as the worked LW blanks).

One aspect of the SmoothTwist barrels is their seeming immunity to fouling & they dont cut the pellet resulting in a more uniform projectile.

The guy who made the video is in the States and shoots at FAC levels, he's had an Edgun for a while - they are often messed with to get max power, that could well be his problem here. Most American air gun users select pellets on a weight basis (for some reason ) I've tried to educate them about head sizes etc. but they tell me the makers dont provide the information, well that could also be an issue with his LW barrelled Edgun.

FX will not be making SmoothTwist barrels available to the public.

[Parabuteo]

they are MORE expensive to produce than standard barrels, the special 'blanks' (in fact specialist tubing) costs nearly as much as a LW rifled blank (ie. the unworked FX balnks cost nearly as much as the worked LW blanks).

One aspect of the SmoothTwist barrels is their seeming immunity to fouling & they dont cut the pellet resulting in a more uniform projectile.

The guy who made the video is in the States and shoots at FAC levels, he's had an Edgun for a while - they are often messed with to get max power, that could well be his problem here. Most American air gun users select pellets on a weight basis (for some reason ) I've tried to educate them about head sizes etc. but they tell me the makers dont provide the information, well that could also be an issue with his LW barrelled Edgun.

FX will not be making SmoothTwist barrels available to the public.

Fair Ian

But would the point not also be that the machinery and processes are considerably faster, and rejection rate lower (just supposition on my part there having been briefed on smooth twist) so this would offset the fact that the blank is more expensive (at the moment).

The system is still in development to an extent, so best wait and see

Moreover, the barrel is as stated, less prone to fouling, less pellet fussy, and may (or may not be) a match for match barrels....with much less variables.

It is also slightly more efficient in PCP form, which has to also be a usefull spin off.

Technological advances these days are seldom major leaps, but more often not a bit here and there.

Smoothtwist may tick all the boxes yet, particularly for mass production

[bengarzy]

One other thing that should be taken in to consideration regarding all the hype about smooth twist barrels is ease / cost of manufacturing. If they are (and the hype says they are) just externally formed without dies / cutting tools etc the speed, and therefore cost, of manufacturing will be greatly reduced.
When it comes to profit wording can be manipulated to mean a lot of things

Regarding all the articles about smooth twist, I would take it all with a pinch of salt at the moment. All the reviews and articles so far (that I have seen) have been in magazines and magazines rely on advertising (both current and future), read into that what you will.

I've never seen a smooth twist, let alone tried one, but when I do I'll bear in mind that there's a lot of external forces that can / will try to influence peoples opinion of them.

All published tests have been carried out with total honesty, your post suggests that the writers are lying and I influence the outcome by advertising my barrels in there magazines, give me the month and title of the magazine if that is the case or dont put in print something you may regret.
You can come and test SmoothTwist for yourself on our indoor range any time you like if it will make you happy, however I am sure your blinkered aproach will endure.

Ben

Ben

[rodp]

All published tests have been carried out with total honesty, your post suggests that the writers are lying and I influence the outcome by advertising my barrels in there magazines, give me the month and title of the magazine if that is the case or dont put in print something you may regret.
You can come and test SmoothTwist for yourself on our indoor range any time you like if it will make you happy, however I am sure your blinkered aproach will endure.

Ben

Ben

Would you like to point out where I have suggested anyone is actually lying or you have influenced anyone,the actual word was "manipulated". If you don't know what it means I'll get someone to explain. !
Can you please elaborate on my blinkered approach
Lastly, don't threaten me until you have bothered to absorb what's written.

[Graham2]

One other thing that should be taken in to consideration regarding all the hype about smooth twist barrels is ease / cost of manufacturing. If they are (and the hype says they are) just externally formed without dies / cutting tools etc the speed, and therefore cost, of manufacturing will be greatly reduced.
When it comes to profit wording can be manipulated to mean a lot of things

Regarding all the articles about smooth twist, I would take it all with a pinch of salt at the moment. All the reviews and articles so far (that I have seen) have been in magazines and magazines rely on advertising (both current and future), read into that what you will.

I've never seen a smooth twist, let alone tried one, but when I do I'll bear in mind that there's a lot of external forces that can / will try to influence peoples opinion of them.

As someone who has actually carried out tests on a SmoothTwist barrelled Ruger10/22 and achieved fantastic results with it at 100 yards, I take exception to a prick like you saying that I have been influenced in any way! You are of course entitled to your opinion, but as you have stated, you've never seen a smooth twist, let alone tried one, so why don't you just **** off until you have!

There, stick that in your (non SmoothTwist) pipe and smoke it, as my Gran used to say.

[BOBBIE]

here we go again, throwing dummys out of the pram.

[Cam.]

As someone who has actually carried out tests on a SmoothTwist barrelled Ruger10/22 and achieved fantastic results with it at 100 yards, I take exception to a prick like you saying that I have been influenced in any way! You are of course entitled to your opinion, but as you have stated, you've never seen a smooth twist, let alone tried one, so why don't you just **** off until you have!

There, stick that in your (non SmoothTwist) pipe and smoke it, as my Gran used to say.

Hi Graham

Please, have you any links to your testing?

Many thanks

Cam

[bengarzy]

If they are such a good do, get sown in then and buy one. I will be interested to see the improvement in accuracy at 25-30 yards, the improvement in velocity consistency over a ten shot string etc. etc. etc.
I don't think I will be bothering.

Just another thing. Whenever I have been interested enough to have a look at a fired airgun pellet I haven't stood over a bucket. I've shot into a trough of water, or the village beck at around twenty yards at an angle. Amazingly enough you can retrieve the pellets with no deformation at all. But I find it a lot easier to slug the bore.

Having made and sold tens of thousands of air rifles fitted with the German made barrels I know how many are rejected as substandard, FX have also suffered this same problem with the same manufacturer until they are forced to make there own useing my SmoothTwist system.
They are now getting the consistent accuracy they require in production, far better than they have ever had before.
Pray tell me what you are basing your comments on, a few rifles bought and sold maybe, thought so

Ben

What has a "brass spring" got to do with anything anyway?

[stillair1]

Those recovered .22lr were recovered by a secret process, no water bucket involved.