What are these charges rolled up in paper, are they the first cartridges produced?

[Fronteria]

In my cartridge collection there are some charges in rolled paper which have been given to me are these what I think they are, early cartridges?
I have just put a sample of my collection here which includes two or three of these charges. most of which are black powder or unusual rounds.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fronter...7626042802298/

[acmsarh]

Tear the rear of the paper wrapped charge off with your teeth and pour the powder
down barrel then cram the ball/bullet complete with paper down the barrel ,Ram the load home place percussion cap on nipple and fire.
Saves having a separate powder flask and loose powder.

[greenshoots]

just put a variation in for my musket asked to keep 100 cartridges for it just in case i decided to go down the paper cartrige route........

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[TA6319]

just put a variation in for my musket asked to keep 100 cartridges for it just in case i decided to go down the paper cartrige route........

greenshoots

I thought that they were not classed as cartridges as there is no internal detonator, but I may be wrong

[slowcoach]

Ahh that should create no end of red tape and misunderstandings then!!!

Basically as said above they are not cartridges, just powder and ball stored in a paper case, rather than in the powder flask and ball pouch.

You could assemble a thousand, and apart from being the equivalent of a weak and fragile uninteresting firework should one catch fire they wont go boom until shoved down the barrel and a cap applied to its backside

[greenshoots]

Ahh that should create no end of red tape and misunderstandings then!!!

hope note just covering my dierre...

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