Thanks wobbley, have you tried a 15 thou patch and do you use the FWB adjustable loading rod ? If you do use the FWB rod, is it worth me getting one or not or will the traditional type work just as good? Just one more question; I have a load of Thompson Bore Butter which I use over the top of the balls when loading my FWB revolver, do you reckon this is ok to lube the patches with ? Thanks.