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I have heard of pistols having an extended length to their grip, being legal. Obviously FAC but can someone shed some light on this for please. I am only interested in .22RF.
Are these available and what needs to be on the licence and at what sort of price range.
Thanks in advance
Mick
HW100KT .177cal, FWB300s .177cal,Steve Pope lazaglide tuned resetable safety
HW97K .22cal, Brocock contour .177cal.
FAC Valmet lion .22RF Target Rifle.
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Long barrel revolver (LBR) or Pistol. Barrel is long and there is a dodgy arm thing.
Only you can shoot it (even at a club you cant let someone try it) unless others put it on their FAC.
Look for taurus, seems a popular make.
I think there is a 1911 copy with a fake over moderator to make it look like a normal pistol with mod
Andy
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
And they must be at least 24 inches overall, with at least a 12 inch barrel.
(Really a Thread that belongs in the Powderburners section, though).
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
You're smart to want to stick with a .22: ammo prices being what they are.
I seldom shoot any centerfire guns, any more: airguns and .22's are a lot more affordable, more pleasant to shoot, and make just as good holes in paper.
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
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OK Thanks for that, at least now I can look into it knowing it is doable, and not look a complete Donkey
ATB
Mick
HW100KT .177cal, FWB300s .177cal,Steve Pope lazaglide tuned resetable safety
HW97K .22cal, Brocock contour .177cal.
FAC Valmet lion .22RF Target Rifle.
Zombie Monkey
Just get an FAC with a slot for a .22lr LBP. There are 4 options reallyOriginally Posted by Bartmick
1. Buckmark pistol from westlake £599 http://westlakeengineering.com/12601.html or low mill ranges
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2. 1911 from the tunnle for £650 ish http://www.thetunnel.co.uk/
3. 1911 Ivor Johnson from low lim ranges £1250 http://www.lowmillranges.co.uk/image...dit/lbp_03.jpg
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4. VQ custom from Stockade products about £2000 http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL480.../373687596.jpg
Options other than pistol are LBR's Long barrel revolver.
Taurus make them in .22, 177hmr, 30M1, 38/357, .44 mag and .45 acp for arround £699 new.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL480.../391617538.jpg
Kora if you can get second hand are .22 and run around £400.
Alpha from merseyside armoury are .22 and 38/357 about £630 . They also stock Freedom ars LBR's in .44 mag and 454 casull for £1999.
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Other option are the JTL custom at £4000 from Gareth at Eurosport or Midway/black powder.co.uk
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Smith and Wesson. I forget the RFD that was importing them from a guy modifying them in germany but the run at £2500 ish
Metaba bottom firing LBR. Fires from the bottom of the cylinder reducing recol. Thats if you can find one about £900 ish http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL480.../373056321.jpg
Ruger Redhawk about £1000 ish http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL480.../395852032.jpg
or the Uberti Buntline Target LBR http://www.gunmart.net/gun_review/ub...ne_target_lbr/
rgs
chris
Last edited by chrismetallica1; 22-03-2011 at 04:05 PM. Reason: info added
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To add to all of what has already been said about size restrictions. If you want to go semi-auto your only choice is .22lr and the most popular choice there is probably a Browning Buckmark of some sort, likely fettled by Westlake engineering.
If you go down the revolver route the most common are .22lr, .38/.357, .44 Mag but you could probably find some obscure items like .45ACP with half moon clips if you try hard enough. Lever action guns tend to be more popular as does reloading for the centre fire calibres.
Paul.
Stellen sie Fragen über Fragen
I reload .38 special for about £3.50 ($5.75) for 50... It's the same price as 22lrYou're smart to want to stick with a .22: ammo prices being what they are.
I seldom shoot any centerfire guns, any more: airguns and .22's are a lot more affordable, more pleasant to shoot, and make just as good holes in paper.
Jim
Also milsurp for my AK is currently £7.75 ($12.70) per 50, which also isn't bad
Zombie Monkey
Paul,
Currently im running 3 Taurus LBR's .38/357, .44 and .45acp. The issue with any Taurus LBR that requires moon clips such as the 30M1 or the .45acp. Is that Taurus dont use standard moon clips or half moon clips. They use there own version called the Taurus Stella clip. It Mic's to a thickness of 0.20 were as a moon clip such as a smith is 0.40 double. This means the Taurus clips have a habit of bending and they arnt cheap. My last lot were £25 for 5 !!!. My advice to anyone considering getting one is to speak to Roding Armoury and get them to do a cylider job on it so you can use Smith clips. I picked up 300 smith clips for mine for $30 from old sarge drop zone. Granted it costs a few hundred to get the work done but smith clips will hardly ever wear out and are easy to get unlike Taurus clips.
rgs
Chris
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That's certainly interesting, Chris. Why would anybody choose a rimless calibre though? You can't put them in a lever action and when you put them in a revolver you have the sort of problems that you describe.
The only centre fire pistol calibre gun I have is a .38/.357 Rossi carbine. It's no bigger than the cap guns I had as a kid! I reckon if I ever got a LBR I'd go for a .38 on the basis that I could share reloading gear and not need a new die set.
Paul.
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I use my .45 for advancing target. Other people I have spoken to with .45 acps usually use them for some sort of practical competition were speed reloading is required. As for .30M1 its a bit of a cross over. With it being a rifle round its good to 300 yards you could use it for long distance pistol.
Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
Great photos, thanks.
That Uberti Buntline looks a tad muzzle-heavy!
Jim
UBC's Police Pistol Manager
"Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone
Zombie Monkey
Cheers Jim,
As i shoot alot of LBR I have built up quite a few pictures of LBR's and info on them. Most people who buy the Uberti Buntline get a rod welded to the grip and cut the barrel down to 12" . Thats what we use to do the the Ruger Redhawk. Ruger exported them to the UK with an 18" barrel and no rod or brace fitted. However they didnt like it when we started cutting them down and welding the rod so there ceased exporting themPitty as they are much better guns than a the Taurus.
Chris
This is an original Uberti Buntline
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL480.../395857975.jpg
and this is a modified one
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL480.../395857976.jpg
This is an original Ruger Redhawk LBR no modification. They are superb but way too heavy
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and this is what they are like after modification
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Last edited by chrismetallica1; 22-03-2011 at 09:52 PM.
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I shouldn't have come back to this thread. I'm quite tempted by one of those Buntlines now.
Is there anyone in particular who does them modified to order or do you have to buy them as factory spec and then hunt out your own gunsmith?
Thanks,
Paul.
Zombie Monkey
You need to orger factory spec. The following gunsmiths do modificationb on LBRS
Alan Westlake (basically anything adding rods/ braces and barrel chopping down to 12")
Roding Armoury ( Cylinders, timing, trigger work ect)
The gunshop cat hill ( you need to ask them)
Valley arms (again cylider work and trigger jobs)
SYSS use to do work. However I think they only do wrist brace to rod conversion now as there were issues with getting Taurus Spares. Either way all the above gunsmiths are more than capable of puttin a rod onto a Buntline and turinging the barrel down from 18" to 12"
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