Is there room for CO2 in target/competition pistol shooting

[derekm]

Does it matter BOYO if CO2 versions of world class target pistols are still made or not? The mechanicals of the last CO2s are the same as the first PCPs in many, if not mostcases.

They are still exquisite pieces of precision engineering that will perform to far higher standards than you, me, or practically any member of the shooting fraternity.

By your logic it would appear that mechanical triggers are also rustic old hat and anything less than the 2011 model electronic unit is past it.

Don't bother trolling any more, your sarcasm is less than amusing.

[Gregory]

shame thought you were up for it with your "dont know anything about beer either" remark, obviously you can give but not take it. Still I know the type we all do.

yes your right when the shooting community which is based around precision instruments moves on and adopts electronic triggers or in fact anything that improves performance then not moving with them makes you a loser. This is a technical sport and every advantage counts, no matter what your performance level if it is improved by adopting new technology you have adopted a loser mentality by not adopting it.

The major companies gave up on co2 as it was not good enough. It just isnt that is it. it is not stable enough to provide the power source that precision demands.

Next time your whining to your mates about why Britain doesnt win anything in the pistol events, take out your fart gas gun and have a good luck at it and the mentality that accompanies it "this is good enough for me, I dont shoot that well anyway".

Your right though, I'm sick of myself. Sorry if my sarcasm offends it is a weapon which is becoming old and therefore inappropriate. You may now have the last word, I'm tired of this thread and low grade arguments.

go back to shooting your cards old timers.

[derekm]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Boring troll.

[The Doctor]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Boring troll.

I am sorry but I agree with Gregory's sentiment completely - I see this attitude all too often at club and squad level, and Derek I must say your attitude is clearly testament to this - can I point out that the OP asked 'is there space in competitive (and I emphasize competitive) pistol shooting' and the simple answer is no - look at the entries to the last 8 years of world cups if you don't believe me - guess what, no CO2 - so either the 'Dad's Army' pistol shooters of this country know something everyone else doesn't OR the 'it will do for me mentality because I only do xy or z' is rife,

And I won't be taking any requests to stop 'trolling' because my opinion differs from yours seriously - I would expect you to respect anyone's opinion as they would yours without resorting to bad language!

Lee

[derekm]

Lee, I wouldn't class your posts as trolling; you have an opinion, which you put forth in a polite and correct manner. The other poster's insulting manner and general sarcasm appears to fall into the trolling/arguing for the sake of it category.

Regarding the highest levels of competition, where advantages can come at microscopic level you may well be right.

However, most target shooting and competition is at a much lower level, hence the view that there is still a place for the economies and convenience of CO2, as there is for "bits of Russian tractors" so disparagingly and inaccurately stated by our trolling acquaintance.

Top level comps. aside, technique is probably more important than the tools involved and technique can be learned with "the bits of tractor powered by fart gas".

I would imagine that the likes of Mick Gault could cakewalk a County comp with a Tau 7, though I could of course be mistaken.

Not everyone can afford Steyrs et al, nor can many clubs afford a brace to use as club guns for newcomers.

There is a place for everything. No-one is suggesting that CO2 is the Holy Grail, but to dismiss it out of hand for ALL serious and competition shooting is, with respect, a bit OTT (IMO).

You have every right not to agree, but I think that technique and mechanics are more important than propellant.

[hwtyger]

'CO2 wasnt good enough' LOL!!! Than HOW did they shoot 396 WR 96 with it????
I always enjoy looking at people who think that co2's ,which they shot world records, Olympics, championships etc with, arent good enough for 95% of us shooters who dont come NEAR those results. They shot 396 with a Pardini CO2 pistol, the world record in 1996. Yeah, maybe now its 399, geez, ANYONE of you shoots NEAR 396 scores?? Nope, you dont. So do you NEED pcp? No you dont. Is co2 good enough? Yes it is.. When you shooting around 380's THAN you have a reason to speak and say you nééd pcp. Otherwise... And NO I'm NOT a co2 holy-grail fan!! I'm just realistic..I have a Tau 7, co2, my favourite, and also a steyr pcp, a morini pcp, a hammerli pcp and a aeron pcp. Do I shoot better with the pcp's? No I dont.

Why do you see all pcp? Cause its a hype, cause people buy what the neigbour has, and cause people like to try to buy results instead of training properly. I can shoot in the 360's, but if you give a fellow pistol shooter at our club, an ex champ, a FWB 65, he'll outshoot me. As simple as that..
He himself shot in our countries highest pistol class in the top 10. With? A walther CP2 co2. Pcp's may have extra features: recoil dampener, extra adjustability, etc..But thats about it. Inherent accuracy isnt better. LARGEST disadvantage with co2 was NOT that it wasnt accurate enough, nor temperature, it was weight/balance change when co2 gets less!

[zooma]

Hi Yana,

Your facts are probably absolutely correct ( I have not checked the scores you refer to - but have no reason to question them), and so are your observations.

I like to shoot FWB 65 and 80 pistols now and again and have no doubt that in the correct hands these old "springers" could still beat most club level shooters and even higher level shooters too.

I also like to shoot various CO2 match pistols and know for sure that in the right hands they too can beat most regular PCP shooters at almost every level.

However, shooting my newer PCP pistols is a lot easier and less hassle. No mechanical cocking needed, and I can clearly see how much air is left at any time in the cylinder, and although generally bigger in size they are also usually ligher in weight.

As the manufacturers experience has increased over the years, we gain other benefits such as better fitting grips (for me at least) simple cocking and more choice of almost everthing

The top level shooters can also rely on some manufacturers support if they need some "on the spot" help when competing away from home - and this can only be gauranteed with a pistol that is in current production.

Every type of match pistol has its place as far as I am concerned - all give pleasure to the users at various levels from back-yard to international competition and all should be encouraged at club level.

What we need is more target shooters to keep our minority and shrinking sport alive for future generations, so "is there room for CO2 in target/competition pistol shooting?" - yes of course there is - and springers too. Are they still at the peak of excellence - I think not - but who cares - the question was "is there room" for them - and the answer has to be YES.