Sussex Interclub HFT 2011 Round 3 - RESULTS

[blackscale]

You could well be right sausage, can't argue!?
Just always thought air had to be discharged!

I stand corrected (sure a lot of people don't realise this though...)

XX

[biggles]

Interesting discussion, but I do feel that the wording "if the gun goes off" does leave a teeny bit of room for interpretation and I can understand why some (many?) would have thought this meant hearing the 'bang' noise.

My interpretation would be in accord with the man who paints his letters green, along lines of ...... if you're on target, fully prepared to take the shot, only to find that pulling the trigger results in the discovery of a failure to load pellet/close action/whatever then the firing cycle is complete and the result scored on the outcome of that cycle. Otherwise we'll have Styer owners modifying their guns to mute the 'click'

Perhaps we do need a ruling from Sparky or other UKAHFT senior.

Biggles

[blackscale]

Tough one i agree!
How many people have pulled their trigger, only to find the safety on....

When i had a Steyr, leaving the lever 'open' was my safety...same as my Walther, i only leave it open for safety..!?
I wouldn't leave it open if i had a safety catch and if i didn't have a safety catch or Steyr / Walther i may load later

With my CRX, i open the bolt, place the pellet in and close the bolt.
Only when i am happy do i cycle the bolt fully..sometimes forget and pull trigger and nothing hapens, so i cycle the bolt!

Going to be hard to enforce anything but an expulsion of air i reckon?
are we getting too anal?...mean't to be having fun.

[Bob P]

I always believed the gun had to complete its firing cycle to
say the gun went off. I thought it had to discharge.
If the firing cycle is stopped at any stage then it hasnt
fired, I often forget to switch my Daystate on just before
taking a shot.
Bob

[Mog]

I always believed the gun had to complete its firing cycle to
say the gun went off. I thought it had to discharge.
If the firing cycle is stopped at any stage then it hasnt
fired, I often forget to switch my Daystate on just before
taking a shot.
Bob

My opinion too.

[Enthusiast]

So what happens if you are using a Weihrauch springer and forget to take the safety off? Pull the trigger and... nowt? Same as not pushing a Steyr bolt forward or not switching on a Daystate, you haven't completed the preparation stage. But if the ruling is that if you intend taking the shot and it doesn't go off, you have to apply it to everyone regardless of circumstance.

Seems harsh.

Easiest other option is - did it go pop? Yes? Donut. No? Off you go again.

Or you could try and assess whether the pellet left the barrel - could be done, I have thought about this.

I would rather have faith in my fellow man and go for one of the more user-friendly options.

I suggest that trying to impose a rule that disallows a shot where a Daystate was still switched off would be far more open to abuse than giving the marshall some degree of discretion. The complete silence of the action and the lack of movement required to click that switch up would cause far more arguments and wrong calls

Richard

[Enthusiast]

And another thing..

I often approach the shot with an unloaded rfile - especially on standers where you have to take the shot from either side of a tree. Rather than wave a loaded rifle around I line up the shot, then load. Who is to judge whether I meant to load a pellet and take the shot the first time I looked through the scope? If we are applying the strict rules then forgetting to load at all is as much a donut as forgetting to complete the loading cycle - even worse in fact? Do I have to declare every time I look through the scope that my rifle is unloaded?

Richard

[blackscale]

...calm down darlink! X
Don't think you can ever have a perfect world but the "if it doesn't go bang" ruling has to be the easiest to apply!?

keep it simple, is my vote....and i have had my share of donuts for trying to 'blow' a target over!...

XX

[simmmo]

From UKAHFT air has to be discharged.

Thats simple then isn't it.

Andy

[Steve L]

Thats what I thought Andy..
I believe that is 2-0 to me now Mr burgermiester

[Enthusiast]

...calm down darlink! X
Don't think you can ever have a perfect world but the "if it doesn't go bang" ruling has to be the easiest to apply!?

keep it simple, is my vote....and i have had my share of donuts for trying to 'blow' a target over!...

XX

rant rant ranty rant

I feel better for it though

And another thing...

[MojoCrow]

......And another thing...

Yeah, why can't we mess around with our scopes like we can with our rifles?

[blackscale]

Yeah, why can't we mess around with our scopes like we can with our rifles?

...yeah! why not...i wanna twiddle as well!

X

[jon f]

you could have all club captains as judge
one allowed type of gun
one type of scope
one shooter from each club
then scores would be more even too like eurovision
the rest of us just turn up to watch
this is a joke

[biggles]

From UKAHFT air has to be discharged.

Thats simple then isn't it.

Andy

While that may well be what they actually apply during the national series, but it's not expressed as such in the current UKAHFT rules, Sir Andy. No mention of air or discharge there; or have I missed something?

I'm personally happy with the 'goes bang' measure, and speak as one who has suffered from this infringment on more than one ocassion when using my AA400, having failed to ensure the bolt was 100% closed. Lost a few points in various comps as result.

However, as result of all the above I would like either for clarification from UKAHFT or for us (SIHFT) to come up with one.

Biggles