hazzard warning signs

[Raygun]

Hi,
According to a feature in the current Airgun Shooter mag it IS a requirement to display a "Compressed Gas" warning label when transporting the air bottle in your car.

Can you link to the legislation please.

ATB
Ray.

[Bigbill]

This might help its from a diving site

BSAC TECHNICAL PUBLICATIONS
Information Sheet T.10

BSAC Diving Information - Compressed Gas - Warning Signs

EC legislation now coming into force in UK requires commercial vehicles carrying compressed gases and other hazardous substances, to carry a Hazard Warning sign which emergency services will recognise and make allowances for when dealing with road traffic accidents. For compressed air cylinders, the sign is a green diamond (minimum size 100mm square) with a cylinder symbol and the words Compressed Air.

Amateur divers have asked if there is any legal requirement for them to display such a sign when transporting aqualung cylinders in private cars. BSAC has sought advice from the Health and Safety Executive, and we are assured by an Inspector from the HSE Diving National Interest Group that this legislation applies only to those who are at work, not to those carrying gas cylinders in private cars for recreational purposes.

The legislation is likely to apply to diving school staff / professional recreational diving instructors carrying cylinders in a private car when used for business, but it does not apply to the average diving club member going about their recreational pursuit; nor does anything in the legislation suggest that it might be expanded to include recreational users in future.

Divers might think it socially responsible to display such a sign on their cars when carrying cylinders on the highway - and it would not be illegal to do so - but the legislation states that the sign should be displayed only while cylinders are actually in transit. If there are no cylinders in the car, there should be no sign suggesting that there are. Bearing in mind that the signs are usually in the form of a window sticker, this could be a problem! Furthermore, permanent display of such a sign might invite criminals to break into the car, hoping to find something valuable to steal.

To summarise, HSE have made it clear to BSAC that the legislation does not apply to persons who are not at work, so is not applicable to recreational divers going about their chosen sport.


Bill

[Parabuteo]

This might help its from a diving site

BSAC TECHNICAL PUBLICATIONS
Information Sheet T.10

BSAC Diving Information - Compressed Gas - Warning Signs

EC legislation now coming into force in UK requires commercial vehicles carrying compressed gases and other hazardous substances, to carry a Hazard Warning sign which emergency services will recognise and make allowances for when dealing with road traffic accidents. For compressed air cylinders, the sign is a green diamond (minimum size 100mm square) with a cylinder symbol and the words Compressed Air.

Amateur divers have asked if there is any legal requirement for them to display such a sign when transporting aqualung cylinders in private cars. BSAC has sought advice from the Health and Safety Executive, and we are assured by an Inspector from the HSE Diving National Interest Group that this legislation applies only to those who are at work, not to those carrying gas cylinders in private cars for recreational purposes.

The legislation is likely to apply to diving school staff / professional recreational diving instructors carrying cylinders in a private car when used for business, but it does not apply to the average diving club member going about their recreational pursuit; nor does anything in the legislation suggest that it might be expanded to include recreational users in future.

Divers might think it socially responsible to display such a sign on their cars when carrying cylinders on the highway - and it would not be illegal to do so - but the legislation states that the sign should be displayed only while cylinders are actually in transit. If there are no cylinders in the car, there should be no sign suggesting that there are. Bearing in mind that the signs are usually in the form of a window sticker, this could be a problem! Furthermore, permanent display of such a sign might invite criminals to break into the car, hoping to find something valuable to steal.

To summarise, HSE have made it clear to BSAC that the legislation does not apply to persons who are not at work, so is not applicable to recreational divers going about their chosen sport.


Bill

That makes sense now, it was a while back I checked and posted the answer on here.

It says coming in, so is commercial based but not here yet.

Typical of the europrats to add yet another bit of double edged red tape

What the hell is the difference between a 300bar cylinder in a commercial vehicle, against a non commercial one?

Tits

The point about the "not showing it" when the cylinder is not there is also valid, as it may delay your rescue while they assess the risk.

Some dick had ejector seat triangles on a car some time back, and it caused some issues...fool.

I wonder how they go with airbag gas generators?

Are they cylinders with a pyro initiator, or just a pyro gas generator

My take is that I should show one, lost it, but well reminded, I will get another ASAP

[captain_gatso]

Have a read, page 6:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/pdf/safusgc.pdf

It's a 2004 publication but I doubt much has changed.

Cheers
CG

[sandstorm]

You are not selling these stickers on are you doggone lol.you have everyone buying them now. Good thread thow, better go get mine, cough.

[LeeH]

just bought one from that auction site after reading the above .. £2.40 well spent. Even if it's not law it should be. Couldn't agree more about giving the emergency services a heads up if the worst ever happened .. never even occurred to me before. Well done blokes.

[Iced Tiger]

Yep I've just bought one as well, magnetic so it can be removed when the bottle is not in the car. Would be useful for the emergency services in case of an accident.

[niloc]

Just to add a slightly different angle to the discussion:-

What (other than the volume) is the difference in carrying a fill bottle or just a PCP rifle with potentially 500cc of compressed air?

Just a question, where is the line drawn, 'cause as I see it, if one wants to be pedantic, just carrying the rifle could warrant the display of a warning sticker.

[DedIdick]

Just to add a slightly different angle to the discussion:-

What (other than the volume) is the difference in carrying a fill bottle or just a PCP rifle with potentially 500cc of compressed air?

Just a question, where is the line drawn, 'cause as I see it, if one wants to be pedantic, just carrying the rifle could warrant the display of a warning sticker.

The line is drawn when you are carrying it by way of trade.
Private use....no sticker required.
Trade use, sticker required. It's simple & clear cut.

[niloc]

The line is drawn when you are carrying it by way of trade.
Private use....no sticker required.
Trade use, sticker required. It's simple & clear cut.

You miss my point I think, I was following on from the people who, despite that clear cut ruling, still wish to voluntarily display a sticker. I'm just pointing out that if you go to the effort then where do you stop!

[angrybear]

Can you link to the legislation please.

ATB
Ray.

No. All I said was its in the mag.
I dont write it I read it.

[Raygun]

No. All I said was its in the mag.
I dont write it I read it.

And repeat wrong information.

ATB
Ray.

[Matt C.]

I tend to agree with giving the fire brigade (and the old bill) a heads up, just in case you have a shunt. As we mostly have steel bottles, the magnetic sticker could live on the bottle when it's not in the car.

Take care

[doggone]

some very good thoughts on this lads,i got a safety compressed air sign out of consience i would hate to think that id hurt anyone for the sake of a sign a couple of quid.

[Richlar]

i wondered about this, no harm in getting one. next time i take my bottle i will get one.