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well said rift,step back lads some of you having ago at each other dont help just sensible oppinions (take some gas and air lads)lol.
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Be interesting to see how many put a compressed air sticker in the front window of their house.
If the Fire Brigade need to know whats in your car surely they also need to know if you've got a cylinder in your house. It could go next to that little "Crime Watch" one
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Ray.
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Originally Posted by Raygun
Be interesting to see how many put a compressed air sticker in the front window of their house.
If the Fire Brigade need to know whats in your car surely they also need to know if you've got a cylinder in your house. It could go next to that little "Crime Watch" one
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Ray.They'll want to know what's in my house & garage next!!
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Ray,
I have never crashed a housebesides of which my walls are 26" thick and I do not fill the house with liquid fuel. I appeciate some people do. Anyway all joshing aside IMO it's a reasonable idea. As with all things, personal choice applies.
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Have a read, page 6:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/pdf/safusgc.pdf
It's a 2004 publication but I doubt much has changed.
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CG
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You are not selling these stickers on are you doggone lol.you have everyone buying them now. Good thread thow, better go get mine, cough.
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Then get one that is magnetic or sucker.
If they emergency services attend a car fire and your unconcious and cant warn them, you are happy for a couple of fire crew to have their heads blown off by a cylinder then
Look, it is really simple.
If there is no trade, you are not obliged to carry or display a warning insignia.
That does not mean it is not sensible to do so. In fact, I would argue it is morally unacceptable not to warn someone who is obliged to attend and effectively put their lives on the line.
If your other half was in the brigade and you got that call, I doubt the owner of said vehicle would be on your christmas card list would they.
And if you do have to leave it in the car, either do it where other folks will know like an HFT comp or dont leave it.
In a battle of wits I refuse to engage with an unarmed person.
To one shot one kill, you need to seek the S. Kill only comes from Skill
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Anyone that says it is a good idea for a car, in case the car catches fire also would have to have the sticker displayed in their house window, in case their house catches fire.
Just what is the difference ?
It's more than likely that your air cylinder spends more time in your house/garage than in your car.
Wonder what there's more of, car fires or house fires
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Ray.
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Because you can always inform the local brigade that there is a dive cylinder at that address so if they are called to attend at your residence or next door they can take appropraite action...
Ray what is your problem wether people want to give sensible warning to others
Jesus......I would like to know if I was at risk of having a bottle blow in my immediate vicinity.
And as was said above, how many of people who use scuba tanks actually secure the buggers in the car?
They are heavy enough lifting it in the car but travelling at 70mph it is going to be so much fun
In a battle of wits I refuse to engage with an unarmed person.
To one shot one kill, you need to seek the S. Kill only comes from Skill
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I don't have a problem with what anyone wants to do.
It just seems ridiculous to make an issue of having a sticker in your car when you ignore the fact that you keep a charged cylinder in your house without any warning.
As for informing the Fire Brigade you have a cylinder at home, not even a starter. The list of what you would have to inform them of would be endless.
I would imagine 15/20 gallons of petrol would present a far greater risk than a fully tested air cylinder anyway.
It's not a requirement but something that has been extracted from "Industrial Legislation". Maybe there's other stuff that we should consider. I'm pretty certain that if the powers that be had determined a risk then legislation would have been applied to a Private carrier as well as a Commercial one.
We have enough legislation to comply with without inventing stuff someone thinks we should comply with.
If it floats your boat then "Jog on".
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Ray.
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we know it is not compulsory. the argument is a moral one
And you need to tell your insurer too if you carry it or store it at home.
In a battle of wits I refuse to engage with an unarmed person.
To one shot one kill, you need to seek the S. Kill only comes from Skill
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I can understand wanting to help the emergency services should you have a smash. However, if you are going to display the warning signs you need to ensure that you fully comply with the legislation that governs their use. There are further regulations that you should comply with. By virtue of using them you are giving the suggestion that you are a commercial enterprise. That alone may invalidate your insurance. I had long discussions on this with my insurance company. They were happy for me to occasionally carry a dive cylinder for recreational use. They were not happy about me displaying the warning signs. Think long and hard before doing something that you aren't required by law to do. As far as I was concerned it was a case of "The road to hell being paved with good intentions".
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Sounds rather short sighted should anyone sue following an accident.
Most cylinders have a warning marker on them anyway, what happens if that can be seen Chris?
The point you have made though is that yet again, legislation is not there not to protect people going about their business in a common sense way, but to arse cover insurance companies and benefit any bugger with a law degree!!
As an earlier poster said, the FRS will do a risk assessment, prevent further injury and all that.
But, as I and my step daughetr and son work for the emergency services, I think they deserve better.
In a good smash, there is no guarantee the bottle will be seen, or that it will blow on impact.
So when they are digging you out, everyone is at risk.
Mind you if it is a good smash...what's the chances of a magnetic sign being seen...or in one piece?
What bothers me most about this debate is 2 fold.
Firstly that a common sense approach showing moral decency towards the EM services is even questionable under any form of legislation (that is not to say it must be mandatory, but that doubt be placed on whether you should do the right thing by some poxy insurance/euro legislation).
Secondly, that any right minded person would argue with the logic.
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Since when has logic come into it with regards to legislation and, as a consequence, insurance companies? I'd much prefer to display the signs. However, on investigation of the ramifications of doing so I may fall foul of legislation and invalidate my insurance to boot. I can't afford to do either.
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That Chris is exactly what I meant mate
It is a simple, seemingly sensible act, that could open a huge can of worms....crazy!!
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