Brocock Concept Super Six .22

[jackal]

You're welcome, and thank you.

Yes, indeed I indeed did find there was a lack of space on the rail. I've just measured it and theres around 35mm of space on the front rail and around 32mm on the rear. But I must admit I didn't find the lack of space a problem. I have a Nikko Stirling 4-12x50 MountMaster fitted which is just slightly over 14" long, I have the rear mount fitted as far as it'll go back and the front mounted as far as it'll go forward - theres exactly 4 and half inches seperating the mounts when measured from the inside. I also have the mag ring of the scope 1mm away from the mount and it feels really good when shouldered, very comfortable. I'm planning on purchasing an MTC 10x44 Viper & I'll place the mounts in the same position as they are now - the Viper is more or less the same length as the Nikko so no problems there.

However, if you're finding the lack of rail space a problem you could probably look into a buying a rail extension of some sort or maybe even get one made to order to suit, although it may cost a few quid but I'm sure it'd be money well spent, then it'd just be a matter of fitting lower mounts to compensate in height. Or rather than go through all that you could just go for a mount that has just two Alan key screws rather than four, you could save a few millimetres by doing that, whatever you find easier. I do really hope you find a solution.

Power wise for the Concept, I hadn't a chrono with me at first but my friend managed to find his just after mid test session on my mid 30th or shot & we managed just three live shots before the chrono stopped working for some reason & before the weather went bonkers. If I remember correctly the readings were something like between 11.1 & 11.4(?) Ft. lbs using Air Arms Diabolo Field 5.51mm (can't remember the bar fill at that point), but I'll need to purchase a chrono in the near future and do some thorough testing.

In the Brocock manual they actually state that a small amount of experimentation may be needed with the fill pressure to achieve the best results. They also state for the Concept you'll get 60+ full power shots in .22. I don't remember how many they state for a .22 Contour? When first filled I done a few dry shots to make sure things were working fine so I didn't get the chance to find out how many it takes to get to optimum performance.

I was going to do some testing today but the weather is being difficult & it looks to be even worse tomorrow according to the weather view- blasted weather!

Does your Contour have the same side bolt as mine? And does your stock come in black? I heard that the initial Contour Super Six .22s come in this colour? And is it the XL version?

[Mr. Gain]

I indeed did find there was a lack of space on the rail. I've just measured it and theres around 35mm of space on the front rail and around 32mm on the rear. But I must admit I didn't find the lack of space a problem...

I'm able to mount a scope in the available rail space, albeit only full-length scopes with plenty of tube, but what I can't do is mount them with the correct eye relief as they place any scope much too close to my eye.

I thought I might get around this by using my Connect 01, which has zero eye relief but there's not enough room to mount it either.

ISTM that Brocock should have been aware of this issue, and either re-designed the side plate to minimise it, or designed a dedicated bridging rail to compensate for it.

Does your Contour have the same side bolt as mine?

Yes. And I like it. like the Contour, it's as compact as possible, yet still very tactile, and moving to a side-bolt configuration means you can cock the action without changing your head position, and that cuts down on the time required for a second shot.

And does your stock come in black? I heard that the initial Contour Super Six .22s come in this colour? And is it the XL version?

The first Super 6 I saw at a show had a black stock, but mine has a natural beech colour. There are no XL markings on it either, so I wonder if Brocock have dropped this nomenclature, or perhaps it is only applied to the walnut-stocked guns?

[jackal]

I'm able to mount a scope in the available rail space, albeit only full-length scopes with plenty of tube, but what I can't do is mount them with the correct eye relief as they place any scope much too close to my eye.

I thought I might get around this by using my Connect 01, which has zero eye relief but there's not enough room to mount it either.

ISTM that Brocock should have been aware of this issue, and either re-designed the side plate to minimise it, or designed a dedicated bridging rail to compensate for it.

The only way I can think of getting around the problem is purchasing a bridging rail of some sort and possibly, if needed, a set of low mounts to compensate in height. Personally, I'm contemplating on getting a hold of one in case I plan on purchasing a bigger scope in the future, I might not need it but its nice to know theres a solution at hand if needed. I think you can get one for about £25 or £30, maybe even cheaper.

I agree though, Brocock really should have been aware of this & maybe if they recieved a few emails explaining such problems then maybe they could come up with something. They probably could re-design the side plate but I'm not sure how they would do this, I personally really like what they've done with the Super Six series & I think they're onto a winner here. As the old saying goes, 'Where you gain an advantage area, you sacrifice in another' & I believe its the case here with single shot Concepts & Contours and their multi-shot cousins.

Yes. And I like it. like the Contour, it's as compact as possible, yet still very tactile, and moving to a side-bolt configuration means you can cock the action without changing your head position, and that cuts down on the time required for a second shot.

As I mentioned before, when I first purchased my Concept I wasn't too sure about it & must admit, I felt a bit gutted I didn't get the traditional looking bolt, but after operating it a few times, I'm totally sold. In terms of overall looks, I think it makes a rifle with old fashioned, Bavarian sniper rifle looks have a slightly futuristic style to it. It compliments it very well.

I wouldn't mind doing a little experimentation in the near future concerning the side bolt. Looking at the rear of the main bolt, theres a small Allen key screw which I believe if un-done, releases the side bolt free from the main bolt. But I'm going to do a lot of thorough research on how to do it before I even think of attempting a side bolt change.

I found this:

http://www.uttings.co.uk/Product/761...ssic-fn-model/

It looks as if it'd fit but going of pictures alone obviously isn't enough & as I say, I'm going to do some thorough research before attempting anything.

The first Super 6 I saw at a show had a black stock, but mine has a natural beech colour. There are no XL markings on it either, so I wonder if Brocock have dropped this nomenclature, or perhaps it is only applied to the walnut-stocked guns?

I really wouldn't know. I don't why they would only apply the XL markings to the walnut stocked guns and the beech versions - they're exactly the same rifle, just different woodwork. Come to think of it, the markings on my Concept are slightly different to what I've seen advertised. I really liked the look of the black stock Contour though even though I haven't came across one in person.

Just wondering, are you planning on fitting a silencer of any kind? I'm getting myself a Parker Hale MM1 on Monday and a silencer adaptor too.

Word of advice on the adaptor, make sure you shop around before you purchase one. I went into one place here in Newcastle & the guy is selling them for £20. I went to another one where I got my Concept from & they sell them for £10.

Concerning the silencer & all. The reason why the Parker Hale MM1 is budget reasons first and foremost. At £30 its a good price when compared to other makes and when tested in Airgun Shooter a year or so ago, via a Daystate, it was the second quietest out of ten silencers tested 61.7 dbA. The quietest was the Webley QGS at 61.6 dbA which is priced at, as much as it makes no difference, around the £50 mark the last time enquired.

So the Parker Hale MM1 it is then.

Not sure about your Contour, but I find the muzzle crack of my Concept quite ruddy loud.

[Mr. Gain]

Just wondering, are you planning on fitting a silencer of any kind? I'm getting myself a Parker Hale MM1 on Monday and a silencer adaptor too. [...] Concerning the silencer & all. The reason why the Parker Hale MM1 is budget reasons first and foremost. At £30 its a good price when compared to other makes and when tested in Airgun Shooter a year or so ago, via a Daystate, it was the second quietest out of ten silencers tested 61.7 dbA. The quietest was the Webley QGS at 61.6 dbA which is priced at, as much as it makes no difference, around the £50 mark the last time enquired. So the Parker Hale MM1 it is then. [...] Not sure about your Contour, but I find the muzzle crack of my Concept quite ruddy loud.

I think it's a given that PCPs require silencers for hunting, and for back garden plinking for that matter, and the Contour is no exception. My silencer adapter was £9. I already had a compact Brocock silencer for an Aim-X pistol, which does about 85% of what a larger silencer will do on the Contour, but the adapter lets me fit my carbon-fibre Daystate unit, and this (unsurprisingly) gives better results, albeit at the price of a little more length and weight.

[jackal]

@Mr. Gain,

I bet your Contour XL looks rather dashing with that carbon-fibre Daystate fitted to it? I've always thought that particular model would look the part with various bits 'n' pieces added to it.

I just bought myself a silencer and adaptor for my Concept. Paid £9.99 for the adaptor and £32.50 for a Parker Hale MM1. The Parker Hale is fantastic at suppressing the Concept's muzzle crack. When live firing with the Parker Hale fitted, I just get a dull 'pfft'. After a few shots you forget theres any sort of sound coming out of it. Although quite heavy, I believe it was the heaviest by a big margin out of 10 other silencers on test in an issue of Airgun Shooter, it compliments the Concept Super Six's weight. When in standing or kneeling position with the rifle shouldered, it feels very nicely balanced and also with a Nikko Stirling 4-12x50 AO MountMaster fitted.

At just shy of 7 inches long and approximetaly 23mm in width, its not at all bulky and feels to be just at the right length and looks wise, it suits the rifle very well. Build wise, I can just say its built like a brick & I really wouldn't like a bonk over the head with it. The end cap feels stiff to undo but I'm not going to attempt to get inside it as I don't really feel the need to anyway, being fitted to a PCP I don't believe it would need to be stripped to be cleaned as one would have to with a rimfire, but if you have to, it comes supplied with an alignment tool to make life easier when putting it back together again. Overall I'm 100% chuffed with the Parker Hale - I'd recommend it to anyone.

With the MM1 silencer and adaptor fitted, the whole rifle now measures just under 43 inches long.

As regards filling, when topped up to 200 bar, the Contour takes around 10 shots to reach its velocity "plateau", so for optimal accuracy it's preferable to fill to around 175 bar, which will give around 20-25 good shots, depending on the pellet type used. Is this the case with the Concept too?

I managed to find an hour or so to do some live shooting testing today. If I remember correctly the rifle wasn't full at 200 bar. I fired around 10 dry shots yesterday to test the Parker Hale & to show friends, they were very impressed I might add, topped the rifle back up and safely fired 2 live shots later on to test how quiet it'd be during live firing, even more impressive. So came today. With the MM1 now fitted, I had to re-zero my scope, this only took 3 live shots - was only a few clicks out.

First of I must admit, I enjoyed myself a bit too much today and I lost count of how many shots I fired, after all it was the first real time I've used the rifle for any length of time...But good fun neverless. On a guess I probably fired around 40-45 shots before they started to drop off. All shots were taken at just 10 yards, supposedly it was meant to be more about bar testing and shot counts rather than accuracy at various ranges but as I say I enjoyed myself a bit too much, so all of that went out of the window, my bad...But great fun. Anyway...I'm believing it was under the 200 bar fill up.

I really ought to take some notes next time.

Concerning the drop off shots, at 10 yards the drop off point went from centre of zero (of which was spot on) to just below and to the first mil dot. Even on the mil dot the shots were spot on. A very good barrel on this rifle.

I may have fired a few too many shots at this point and the cylinder was much as it makes no difference, simply put...As empty as you could get it. Doing this learnt me a valuable lesson, that lesson came when I had to fill up the rifle from empty using a FX 3 stage stirrup pump to 200 bar...It was a bit of a work out & I don't really want to do that again. But lesson learnt anyway. Once I get the shot counts and best bar fill ups sorted, I'm going to just top the rifle up every 30 shots or so, much easier.

So after getting the Concept filled up to exactly 200 bar, I fired a single shot at a target at the mere 10 yard range I set up and it hit spot on the centre of zero of my crosshairs just as the others did pre the 200 bar fill up.

Hopefully tomorrow, I'll have time to do a shot count and fill bar test & of course, take some notes. I'm expecting around 60+ shots as Brocock state one should get in a .22 Concept. So a bit of experimentation to do.

Mr. Gain, isn't the Contour XL stated to give around 40+ shots in .22? And which pellets have you tried and prefer to use?

When I'm almost done with my tin of Air Arms Diabolo Field 5.51mm's I think I'll try some JSBs.

[Mr. Gain]

Rather late in the day...

I've figured out what the XL designation means.

Xtra Long... (who'd have guessed!)

i.e. an extended reservoir for a higher shot count per fill. My Contour has the standard length cylinder -hence no XL markings, and a run of just 20-25 good shots.

[jackal]

Ah I see, I knew the XL stands for 'Extra Long', but I thought you had that version & not the other Contour. Hence why I was a little confused why yours didn't have the XL markings.

The XL has a bracket holding the barrel & cylinder in place too, like the Concept variants. Don't the Contours come with gun bag too?

Was just wondering, Mr.Gain. Do you use a dive bottle to top-up/fill-up your contour?

After using the FX stirrup pump a few times I've been looking into purchasing a 3 litre dive bottle. Although the FX is a great bit of kit, I'm topping up every 15-20 shots or so to save on effort which is fine by me, but theres always going to be times when I've fired 60+ shots without topping up on various occasions & its just a bit of a effort - hence showing growing interest in a dive bottle.

As I say, I'm looking for a 3 litre dive bottle (nothing huge or too heavy) but I'm not sure how many fill-ups I'd get from it (my Concept having a slim line 200BAR cylinder).

Many thanks.