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    Simmons Whitetail Classic 3.5x10-50 (Philipines-manufactured).

    I bought this scope from another BBS member for not a great lot of cash.

    It's to replace the Deben-Hawke Pro-Stalk 3x9-50 which was on my TX when I bought it 2nd-hand five years ago or so. Nothing much wrong with the Hawke, but it's a big lump of a thing, the optics aren't that great and the eye relief is not variable - in other words you have to be in exactly the right position to see the reticle clearly. Too near and you can see way too much scope innards. Too far away and your field of view is drastically curtailed.

    Simmons WTC were all the rage a few years ago, despite their being a budget (top-end budget) scope. The Philipines-made ones are more highly regarded than the later Chinese ones due to their supposed superior build quality, but I've never tried a Chinese WTC so can't comment. The older ones have been around a while now, so logically while they may not be perfect cosmetically the glass, design and general build should still stand scrutiny.

    The scope.
    This is a WTC WA (stands for wide angle), as opposed to a WA AO (adjustable objective). This means that the scope has a wide angle of view, and will be in focus from about 17 yards out to infinity, which is actually the case. It is out of focus at shorter distances, but in fact the rifle can be aimed as low as 7 yards with this scope without any trouble. I guess the scope is shorter and lighter because it does not have the extra components to allow it to focus, and I think this is a fair trade-off. It sits well on the TX, and looks the part. It's certaily smaller and lighter than the Hawke.
    The eye-relief adjustment is nicely machined, smooth, and quality.

    In use.
    The scope has the Simmons Truplex reticle. Like a Duplex reticle it's crosshairs with thicker crosshairs, no mil-dots, ladders or illumination.
    It comes up to the eye easily, and if you are a bit out (too near/too far away) that makes very little difference.
    The resulting picture is bright, the reticle stands out well, and the focus is sharp from around 17 yards out.

    All in, a nice scope. Streets ahead of the Hawke Pro-Stalk in terms of use, performance and build quality.
    Clearer and sharper than the 3.5x9-50 Richter scope on the S200.
    Not far off my binos (Leica 8x40) for crispness.

    Simmons made a big thing of the light gathering qualities of the WTCs when they first came out. I don't find it any better than the Hawke in that respect, but perhaps its a shade better than the Richter? They were probably better than some of the similar-priced scopes of the time.

    Worth buying?
    Yes without hesitation if it was to be mounted on a PCP. I like the scope very much, but I don't know what the TX recoil will do to it - this very much depends on previous scope use/abuse, which I don't know about.

    However, I think if you want a good scope for not much money it's worth taking a punt on one of these.

    I'll report back when I've used the rifle/WTC combo more.
    Last edited by Ravman; 01-03-2012 at 06:58 AM.
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    good review im thinking of getting one of these for my hw80k

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    Hi Ravman

    Ive had a few over the years and nice scopes, i bought mine new about 10 years ago and it cost me £220 IIRC , but can now be picked up for about £60-70 , a lot of scope for peanuts really.

    As to wether it would be any good on a TX, mine was on a Theoben Eliminator for the very reason that they are very durable and can withstand a fair bit of punishment, and it never really lost its zero

    cheers
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    These scopes are Centrefire rated so should easily take the recoil off Spring Air-rifles.
    Lovely scopes in my opinion.
    I've got 2 Simmons WTC's,both Phillipines models and I'm keeping hold of them both!
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    Thanks guys - very reassuring.
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    i loved mine when i had them think i had 2 or 3 of them My current bushnells are a pretty big upgrade though
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoie View Post
    Hi Ravman

    Ive had a few over the years and nice scopes, i bought mine new about 10 years ago and it cost me £220 IIRC , but can now be picked up for about £60-70 , a lot of scope for peanuts really.

    As to wether it would be any good on a TX, mine was on a Theoben Eliminator for the very reason that they are very durable and can withstand a fair bit of punishment, and it never really lost its zero

    cheers
    craig
    This is my view too. I also used one on an Eliminator which is one of the-if not THE -most demanding air rifle on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapidnick View Post
    This is my view too. I also used one on an Eliminator which is one of the-if not THE -most demanding air rifle on the market.
    This is good news - I just bought one on the bay to get me through til the winter when I can afford a Schmidt to go on the 8mm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravman View Post
    I bought this scope from another BBS member for not a great lot of cash.

    It's to replace the Deben-Hawke Pro-Stalk 3x9-50 which was on my TX when I bought it 2nd-hand five years ago or so. Nothing much wrong with the Hawke, but it's a big lump of a thing, the optics aren't that great and the eye relief is not variable - in other words you have to be in exactly the right position to see the reticle clearly. Too near and you can see way too much scope innards. Too far away and your field of view is drastically curtailed.

    Simmons WTC were all the rage a few years ago, despite their being a budget (top-end budget) scope. The Philipines-made ones are more highly regarded than the later Chinese ones due to their supposed superior build quality, but I've never tried a Chinese WTC so can't comment. The older ones have been around a while now, so logically while they may not be perfect cosmetically the glass, design and general build should still stand scrutiny.

    The scope.
    This is a WTC WA (stands for wide angle), as opposed to a WA AO (adjustable objective). This means that the scope has a wide angle of view, and will be in focus from about 17 yards out to infinity, which is actually the case. It is out of focus at shorter distances, but in fact the rifle can be aimed as low as 7 yards with this scope without any trouble. I guess the scope is shorter and lighter because it does not have the extra components to allow it to focus, and I think this is a fair trade-off. It sits well on the TX, and looks the part. It's certaily smaller and lighter than the Hawke.
    The eye-relief adjustment is nicely machined, smooth, and quality.

    In use.
    The scope has the Simmons Truplex reticle. Like a Duplex reticle it's crosshairs with thicker crosshairs, no mil-dots, ladders or illumination.
    It comes up to the eye easily, and if you are a bit out (too near/too far away) that makes very little difference.
    The resulting picture is bright, the reticle stands out well, and the focus is sharp from around 17 yards out.

    All in, a nice scope. Streets ahead of the Hawke Pro-Stalk in terms of use, performance and build quality.
    Clearer and sharper than the 3.5x9-50 Richter scope on the S200.
    Not far off my binos (Leica 8x40) for crispness.

    Simmons made a big thing of the light gathering qualities of the WTCs when they first came out. I don't find it any better than the Hawke in that respect, but perhaps its a shade better than the Richter? They were probably better than some of the similar-priced scopes of the time.

    Worth buying?
    Yes without hesitation if it was to be mounted on a PCP. I like the scope very much, but I don't know what the TX recoil will do to it - this very much depends on previous scope use/abuse, which I don't know about.

    However, I think if you want a good scope for not much money it's worth taking a punt on one of these.

    I'll report back when I've used the rifle/WTC combo more.
    you can buy a simmons aetec for similar money..even better optically than the W.T.C.and no..P.O.I..shift at least not on mine

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    had a wtc 3.5x10x50 when i first started shooting, i thought i needed more mag so swapped it for a higher mag ,i have tired loads of different scopes ie fixed mag ( which was very clear but just to heavy ) , side focus ,front obj, i always wished that i never got ride of it , when i look back i shot more stuff with the wtc than all the other scopes put together , so now i have one on my 223 and 17MACH2 love them more or less just point and fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by WINK View Post
    you can buy a simmons aetec for similar money..even better optically than the W.T.C.and no..P.O.I..shift at least not on mine
    I agree with this. The Aetec range is superb and just fantastic value for money these days. The 3.8-12x44 cost £380 when new compared with the 3.5-10x50 WTC which cost £210. Now a mint Aetec costs about £120. The reason: the market's obsession with mildot and other rangefinding/compensating aids. The optics are excellent and the WTC range are only slightly less good in the optics department. However they are smaller and slightly cheaper. Also don't forget the dinky little 1.5-5x20 WTC which is STILL to many shooters the best ratting scope on the market and the one against which all newcomers will be judged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapidnick View Post
    I agree with this. The Aetec range is superb and just fantastic value for money these days. The 3.8-12x44 cost £380 when new compared with the 3.5-10x50 WTC which cost £210. Now a mint Aetec costs about £120. The reason: the market's obsession with mildot and other rangefinding/compensating aids. The optics are excellent and the WTC range are only slightly less good in the optics department. However they are smaller and slightly cheaper. Also don't forget the dinky little 1.5-5x20 WTC which is STILL to many shooters the best ratting scope on the market and the one against which all newcomers will be judged.
    i cant remember the aetec at £380..remember them at £220..compared them both in low light aetec miles better much bigger eyebell and aspherical lenses...mine cost me £80 off the bay

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    Quote Originally Posted by WINK View Post
    i cant remember the aetec at £380..remember them at £220..compared them both in low light aetec miles better much bigger eyebell and aspherical lenses...mine cost me £80 off the bay
    Depends which model but I thought the 3.8-12x44 was £379.99 but am not certain. I'll try and dig up an old price list.

    EDIT: the oldest price list I have found is in a copy of Airgun World dated December 2006. In that, Uttings -as good as any for price I hope you agree-has the Aetec 3.8-12x44 at £289.99 and the smaller 2.8-10x44 at £239.99. Not as much as I claimed but still a lot more money than you pay for them today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapidnick View Post
    Depends which model but I thought the 3.8-12x44 was £379.99 but am not certain. I'll try and dig up an old price list.

    EDIT: the oldest price list I have found is in a copy of Airgun World dated December 2006. In that, Uttings -as good as any for price I hope you agree-has the Aetec 3.8-12x44 at £289.99 and the smaller 2.8-10x44 at £239.99. Not as much as I claimed but still a lot more money than you pay for them today.
    sorry apologize mine's the..2.8..as'k laddo at locol gunshop he said they did them at £229 still a bargain at..£80

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    been wanting to buy one of these seems like there a good scope just dont see them about very often

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