How many here collect deacts or obsolete caliber pistols?

[majex45]

Hey Jim

an 1896 Broomhandle Mauser & the other a 1917 P08 Luger

Both would be classed as Section 5 here now

Roy
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Yes, they are section 5 BUT they will both also fit into Section 7(3) and the Broomhandle is eligible for section 7(1).
So you could have kept them. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Obviously no help from the NRA about how to start a collection. I bought the act and read it. Then told the NRA about section 7(3) as they had no idea what I was talking about.
I too had two pistols deactivated, however now realise that I could have saved them - hindsight, a wonderful thing? Strange thing is...I still keep them locked up as if they were live, old habits die hard.

[njaw]

I only collect Obsolete calibre pieces (flintlock and early percussion mainly). The idea of owning a gun that has been butchered leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. But this is my personal opinion.

[Jim McArthur]

I only collect Obsolete calibre pieces (flintlock and early percussion mainly). The idea of owning a gun that has been butchered leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. But this is my personal opinion.

I feel much the same way.

If I lived in the UK, or if the US ever adopted UK-style pistol laws, I'd collect obsolete caliber pieces.

But I do own a few modern cartridge pistols that I could never part with, because of sentimental reasons. As they have no historical value, those I would keep, and have deactivated.

I'd rather have them deactivated, and still have them, than see them completely destroyed.


Jim

[tacfoley]

As I noted earlier, and in support of a fellow poster who was also ignorant of what was going on in 'ye grate scheyme of thynges' that was generally hidden from the average poor Joe handing in his much-loved guns to a bunch of gloating policemen - I had deactivated an NRA 98% condition 1918 DWM P08 - all-matching with matchig magazine - my first Luger. And a similar condition byf42 Mauser-made P08 - all-matching except for magazine - both with their holsters. Also my dad's, later my 1939 Walther PP in 9mmK as issued to the Vienna police special branch in 1939, in its serial-numbered matching holster. Others, just waaay too valuable to even contemplate handing in, were disposed of in another safe country, where I shoot them whenever I feel like. There were a few others, seven in fact, that I just could not bear to see go, but they were not precious old historical artefacts, just guns I'd loved for many years and won literally hundreds of awards with.

At no time was there ANY mention whatsoever that some of these guns might have been saved by the use of a different form of licensing - it seems that if you were not in the know already [wink-wink] then you had dipped out forever, as we obviously did. As did many others of my acquaintance, too. Not until later on, around 2000, were many of us made aware of the facts of the matter, and the 'seems that you didn't do your homework, old boy' cuts no ice with me.

To tell the truth, I'm STILL confused as to how you acquire a collection without having a licence to do so beforehand, or having got the licence to acquire, you begin a collection based on your long-standing interest in historical firearms that you now wish to collect, starting with one gun. Surely a collection comprises a number, usually many, guns. What constitutes a collection anyhow? Seems very chicken and egg to me.

Please don't try and explain it again.

tac

[Jim McArthur]

I won't try to explain it, Tac, because I don't understand it!

Jim

[davederrick]

A guy in my club has a few sect 7 guns stored in Bisley, he gave a talk to the club about them. I asked him exactly that, how to get a licence and start a collection. You can start a collection with just 1 firearm IIRC.

[tacfoley]

A guy in my club has a few sect 7 guns stored in Bisley, he gave a talk to the club about them. I asked him exactly that, how to get a licence and start a collection. You can start a collection with just 1 firearm IIRC.

So all he could actually do is talk about them? Couldn't show them to you, allow you to handle them? That's pretty sad, IMO.

Still doesn't explain how you have a collection of just one gun, or how you acquire it without having the licence to acquire it.

What comes first?

ME: I want to begin to collect Swiss military handguns from 1880 up to WW1.

FEO: You need to demonstrate that you are a collector of the relevant handguns that are of some historical or cultural interest.

ME: I don't yet have ANYTHING at all, where do I start?

FEO: You need to demonstrate that you........

See where I'm at?

tac

[Jim McArthur]

A guy in my club has a few sect 7 guns stored in Bisley, he gave a talk to the club about them. I asked him exactly that, how to get a licence and start a collection. You can start a collection with just 1 firearm IIRC.

So the conversation could go. . .


. . . Would-be collector aka WBC): I'd like to start a collection of pistols used in WW1.

FEO: Do you have a FAC?

WBC: Yes, I do.

FEO: Well, you can buy one, to get your collection started. Then you can add additional ones.


Or, would you be required to start off your collection with WW1 rifles, uniforms, and other items not Section 7.1?

Collectors tend to specialize, anyway. If they don't start specialized, they quickly become so. The collector might be interested only in pistols of the era.


Jim

[beagle2]

I only collect Obsolete calibre pieces (flintlock and early percussion mainly). The idea of owning a gun that has been butchered leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. But this is my personal opinion.

I must agree with you I had a Walther PPK that had been deactivated when I got it but I found that it annoyed me to look at it as it was in perfect condition with no marks on the bluing but when I took off the slide and saw the mess that had made of the works I did not mind them pinning the barrel but why vandalise all of the works.

I also had a couple of .32 pocket revolvers they was in nice condition and I had them on display for some time but in the end much as I licked them to me guns are made to be used if you cannot use them even just now and then what is the point so I sold them.

I have been tempted to get in to BP pistols but I would have to go quite a way to the nearest club and then there is the bother of getting a permit if I could have a cartridge revolver that would be another thing.

[Rollo]

Looks like ACPO may be heading towards trying to get .44 Russian off the obsolete calibre list - which would I guess make everyone with one suddenly need a section 7 or section 5 licence.

Don't believe this has ever been done before, so it may get dropped as not practical - but that didn't stop the same happening to Brococks and various starting pistols.

[Jim McArthur]

Looks like ACPO may be heading towards trying to get .44 Russian off the obsolete calibre list - which would I guess make everyone with one suddenly need a section 7 or section 5 licence.

Don't believe this has ever been done before, so it may get dropped as not practical - but that didn't stop the same happening to Brococks and various starting pistols.

UK gun owners should write their Parlaimentarians, pointing this out, and pointing out that (I assume) there have been no crimes committed using .44 Russian caliber ammunition since the caliber was placed on the obsolete list.

[Jim McArthur]

Are you an air pistol shooter? No license or club membership required. And our Umarex Boys Club runs multiple weekly internet competitions that you can shoot from your own back yard, basement, or (as I do) hallway.

I agree that I'd rather own obsolete caliber or obsolete ignition system pistols rather than deactivated ones: unless the particular pistol in question has sentimental value.

Jim

[comitee]

I must agree with you I had a Walther PPK that had been deactivated when I got it but I found that it annoyed me to look at it as it was in perfect condition with no marks on the bluing but when I took off the slide and saw the mess that had made of the works I did not mind them pinning the barrel but why vandalise all of the works.

I also had a couple of .32 pocket revolvers they was in nice condition and I had them on display for some time but in the end much as I licked them to me guns are made to be used if you cannot use them even just now and then what is the point so I sold them.

I have been tempted to get in to BP pistols but I would have to go quite a way to the nearest club and then there is the bother of getting a permit if I could have a cartridge revolver that would be another thing.

You can have a cartridge revolver !!

.22lr long barrel such as Taurus and Alpha

.38/357 & .44mag & .45LCOLT etc such as Taurus and Alpha etc

or if you don't want the coat hanger off the grip the UBERTI 1873 COLT BUNTLINE

I have a selection of the above and some say the Buntline is to long but I find the balance is great and accurate as hell out to 100yrds with my .45LC

[beagle2]

To be honest the only ling barrel gun that I have seen that would appeal to me is the 1911 .22rf but then that is an semi auto pistol all of the revolvers just look clumsy and heavy for me a pistol/revolver should not have more than a 6.5 inch barrel I am not knocking people who have taken up the long barrel versions its just not for me.

[Sswhack]

i collect antique obsolete transitional revolvers, there are some true bits of history to be had, and the fact they dont have to be butchered by deactivating is a big attraction.
my favorite so far which i may be selling
is a very rare german made 7shot S&W model 2 .32 rimfire, cased and gold gilt, is there a market for it on here? as times are tight tbh. it wont be cheap though.