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    Jim McArthur is offline Frock coat wearing, riverboat dwelling, southern gent
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    How many here collect deacts or obsolete caliber pistols?

    And how does the law operate in this regard?

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    I don't actually collect de-acts, but I ended up with a selection of them after I decided that I could not part from some of my formerly large collection of handguns.

    I'm not too sure what the aim of your question is with regard to the law. Here in UK deactivation is carried out by authorised gun-dealers of smiths, in accordance with a very clearly laid out set of descriptive rules and instructions. That having been done, then the deactivated fiream has to be inspected at either the London or Birmingham Proof house, and stamped as a de-act The deactivation certificate provided as part of this process must thereafter accompany it if you ever dispose of it, much like a vehicle registration document, I guess. You you can buy as many of them as you feel the need for. A noted collector chum of mine in the UK Customs and Excise has a HUGE collection of military de-acts - big enough for him to put on shows all by himself with hundreds of guns of all kinds on display. All totally legal.

    A gun that is on the obsolete calibre list can be bought and sold as an object, not a live-firing firearm, in much the same way as you would buy or sell a typewriter or any other obsolete item of equipment. As with de-acts, the only limitation to the type and number of obsolete calibre firearms you may have is the depth of your pocket.

    Does that answer your question?

    If not, what actually IS your question?

    tac, trying hard to be helpish.
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    Hey Jim

    I don't 'collect' per se .... I did buy one little Belgian pinfire revolver - which I gave to my father as an 'interest' item ....... and that is the only 'obsolete' calibre I have ever bought.

    I (like Tac) kept two of my pistols when the Government here decided I was not fit to shoot them & I had them deactivated - one an 1896 Broomhandle Mauser & the other a 1917 P08 Luger

    Both would be classed as Section 5 here now

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    Quote Originally Posted by harricook View Post
    Hey Jim

    I don't 'collect' per se .... I did buy one little Belgian pinfire revolver - which I gave to my father as an 'interest' item ....... and that is the only 'obsolete' calibre I have ever bought.

    I (like Tac) kept two of my pistols when the Government here decided I was not fit to shoot them & I had them deactivated - one an 1896 Broomhandle Mauser & the other a 1917 P08 Luger

    Both would be classed as Section 5 here now

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    Those are a pair of real classics, Roy.

    I own a couple of pinfires. They are interesting little pieces, but never struck me as being a very "sturdy" piece of kit. I'm not sure how long the pinfire era lasted, but it seems as though they never really caught on.

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    No help...no advice...

    Quote Originally Posted by harricook View Post
    Hey Jim

    an 1896 Broomhandle Mauser & the other a 1917 P08 Luger

    Both would be classed as Section 5 here now

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    Yes, they are section 5 BUT they will both also fit into Section 7(3) and the Broomhandle is eligible for section 7(1).
    So you could have kept them. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
    Obviously no help from the NRA about how to start a collection. I bought the act and read it. Then told the NRA about section 7(3) as they had no idea what I was talking about.
    I too had two pistols deactivated, however now realise that I could have saved them - hindsight, a wonderful thing? Strange thing is...I still keep them locked up as if they were live, old habits die hard.

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    I only collect Obsolete calibre pieces (flintlock and early percussion mainly). The idea of owning a gun that has been butchered leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. But this is my personal opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njaw View Post
    I only collect Obsolete calibre pieces (flintlock and early percussion mainly). The idea of owning a gun that has been butchered leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. But this is my personal opinion.
    I feel much the same way.

    If I lived in the UK, or if the US ever adopted UK-style pistol laws, I'd collect obsolete caliber pieces.

    But I do own a few modern cartridge pistols that I could never part with, because of sentimental reasons. As they have no historical value, those I would keep, and have deactivated.

    I'd rather have them deactivated, and still have them, than see them completely destroyed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by njaw View Post
    I only collect Obsolete calibre pieces (flintlock and early percussion mainly). The idea of owning a gun that has been butchered leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. But this is my personal opinion.
    I must agree with you I had a Walther PPK that had been deactivated when I got it but I found that it annoyed me to look at it as it was in perfect condition with no marks on the bluing but when I took off the slide and saw the mess that had made of the works I did not mind them pinning the barrel but why vandalise all of the works.

    I also had a couple of .32 pocket revolvers they was in nice condition and I had them on display for some time but in the end much as I licked them to me guns are made to be used if you cannot use them even just now and then what is the point so I sold them.

    I have been tempted to get in to BP pistols but I would have to go quite a way to the nearest club and then there is the bother of getting a permit if I could have a cartridge revolver that would be another thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majex45 View Post
    Yes, they are section 5 BUT they will both also fit into Section 7(3) and the Broomhandle is eligible for section 7(1).
    So you could have kept them. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
    Obviously no help from the NRA about how to start a collection. I bought the act and read it. Then told the NRA about section 7(3) as they had no idea what I was talking about.
    I too had two pistols deactivated, however now realise that I could have saved them - hindsight, a wonderful thing? Strange thing is...I still keep them locked up as if they were live, old habits die hard.
    Hi Majex

    Yes I realise now I was being bullied into surrendering them - and deactivaing them was my way of holding onto them

    ..... and yes - they are still locked away in my pistol cabinet (caused some consternation with my FEO at renewal time who got quite snotty about them)

    The deac work was VERY well done & the guy that did the work said it was going to 'break his heart' I said "how do you think I feel - I was shooting them at the weekend )

    ...and stupidly - I could still sell them as deacs for the same if not more than I would have got if I handed them in .......

    Roy
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacfoley View Post
    I don't actually collect de-acts, but I ended up with a selection of them after I decided that I could not part from some of my formerly large collection of handguns.

    I'm not too sure what the aim of your question is with regard to the law. Here in UK deactivation is carried out by authorised gun-dealers of smiths, in accordance with a very clearly laid out set of descriptive rules and instructions. That having been done, then the deactivated fiream has to be inspected at either the London or Birmingham Proof house, and stamped as a de-act The deactivation certificate provided as part of this process must thereafter accompany it if you ever dispose of it, much like a vehicle registration document, I guess. You you can buy as many of them as you feel the need for. A noted collector chum of mine in the UK Customs and Excise has a HUGE collection of military de-acts - big enough for him to put on shows all by himself with hundreds of guns of all kinds on display. All totally legal.

    A gun that is on the obsolete calibre list can be bought and sold as an object, not a live-firing firearm, in much the same way as you would buy or sell a typewriter or any other obsolete item of equipment. As with de-acts, the only limitation to the type and number of obsolete calibre firearms you may have is the depth of your pocket.

    Does that answer your question?

    If not, what actually IS your question?

    tac, trying hard to be helpish.
    That answers my question, Tac.

    The aim of my question is to understand what the applicable law is.


    Jim
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    "Nasty, noisy things, revolvers, Count. Better stick to air-guns." Sherlock Holmes, The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone

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