No you're not.Originally Posted by eyebull
You can see a factory visit and the rifle in detail in the video bellow....
http://www.airgunshooting.co.uk/news...isit_1_1113433
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What an absolutely rubbish excuse for getting it wrong, Lionel. Even for you, mush.... I think it was reasonable to interpret your reply to mean you thought the name did have an "a". I assume now that you were attempting to draw attention to his failure to use a capital "M", which, if that's the case, is not at all clear from your post.
Now you've made yourself look even more silly ... which is an achievement of sorts, I suppose.
Well done.
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It's still spelt METISSE, no matter what spellchecker you want or however many pictures of it they use, and yes, it does need better advertising, as you can still to this day find more info on Rickman Metisse motorcycles than you can about that rifle.
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Then again the brothers Rickman made many bikes over a lot of years, the rifle is only just ready, you dont waste thousands on advertising on something that is not ready................It's still spelt METISSE, no matter what spellchecker you want or however many pictures of it they use, and yes, it does need better advertising, as you can still to this day find more info on Rickman Metisse motorcycles than you can about that rifle.
I think you said it will be available in 3 cals in the video? Is this still the case and if so which ones and in what particular order?
The trigger mech looks like nothing I have seen and very uncluttered. Any ideas of typical 1st and 2nd stage weight?
Good luck with this revolutionary new gun
Alex
The internals of the trigger mechanism, the air-flow, reg' position and firing valve setup, will be shown in a photo of a 'cutaway' breech block included in the test in May's Airgun World. I'm still amazed Ben provided this, and even more so that he allowed me to publish it, but it's extremely interesting stuff and it certainly helps to explain what the rifle's all about.
Remember, this is an air rifle built to an engineer's specification; a bit of a show-off if you like. It's expensive, but not expensive enough to be commercial, believe me. The Metisse exists to prove what's possible, not what's profitable. Blame Ben Taylor - it's all his fault.
Better go; I've got a Metisse write-up to finalise.
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If its a project to show what can be done then hopefully some of the innovations will filter down to future air rifles?
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whatever this rifles called it does look well made but in its current form i just can't see it selling that well for a start the stock with the window and milbro looking out looks rubbish the name hardly inspires quality the name has been used on some pretty rubbish stuff the for last 40 odd years or so,
the 2 shot shuttle system is naff on an airgun of this quality its been tried before on the rws rapier and webley raider admittebly the latter was pretty sh#te but they both just did not sell well and both guns were eventually made into to multishots, i think at this cost most airgunners would want a full multishot option,
i just dont get the C02 option C02 guns just never work correctly and its an unreliable power source,
what market is the rifle ment to be in hunter/target/field target etc,
but above all the name milbro on it will hold it back just look what happend to mayer & grammelspacher aka (Diana) when the british nicked its name on put it on some pretty cr@p airguns the german Dianas still suffers the stigma to this day
Dave.
It will sell out. It's a limited edition and the order books are well on their way to being filled already.
Wait until you see what it's really all about before you judge it, Dave. Better still, shoot it as well.
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Dave
I don't agree with regard to C02 being unreliable. I have a Bowkett CO2 converted BSA Scorpion and there is no problem with consistancy... The only problem is you get slightly fewer shots if the weather is cold. So what, no big deal? It only uses the small capsulse so is great for hunting... Very light.
Ben said in the video that he has solved the problem of consistency with CO2 using a second chamber with the CO2 in the gas phase....I didn't follow the whole argument to be honest.
I think you have have point with regard to the two shot shuttle. I don't think it appeals to the vast majority of people. personally I like the idea, but most of my guns a single shot and I'm not bothered about a mag system.
Am lookig forward to reading the article, but please put trigger weight information. On a gun of this price and quality we should know it and people will be expecting a match trigger....
And shooter's being a generally conservative bunch I think the trigger blade should be more, err, trigger like
Cheers
ALex
Last edited by albrown; 23-03-2012 at 05:48 PM.
Alex, be very careful when stating what 'people will expect', when what you mean is, 'it's what my mates and I'd expect'.
I fell into that trap, until I let the readers tell me what THEY actually wanted. For the record, very, very few readers have ever requested trigger weights, although in the case of the Metisse, it's got such a clever trigger that I'd intended to state its weight range anyway. It's controlled by a 'Pacman'. Yes, really.
Anyway, I think you'll like the review, especially the techno bits.
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I understand your point, but I am talking from an "ordinary bloke" standpoint looking to blow 1.5 grand. That person wants all the info. John Whiscombe used to provide this type of info with his guns, which were in this price bracket... I remember you had trigger weights in the Jenkins articles from the 90's and thought it was a good idea. Ofcourse, weight range is perfectly acceptable since not two rifles are ever the same and "I"Alex, be very careful when stating what 'people will expect', when what you mean is, 'it's what my mates and I'd expect'.
I fell into that trap, until I let the readers tell me what THEY actually wanted. For the record, very, very few readers have ever requested trigger weights, although in the case of the Metisse, it's got such a clever trigger that I'd intended to state its weight range anyway. It's controlled by a 'Pacman'. Yes, really.
Anyway, I think you'll like the review, especially the techno bits.just would like some figures to give an idea...
In anycase, you are right, the trigger looks fascinating and I look forward to reading about it and the whole rifle..
It is good to see a real innovation coming to fruition...British too, which is even better
Alex
Hi Dave, you have understood exactly what David Little, who owns Milbro, is trying to do with the Milbro brand. He is trying to move away from the "budget" end of the market, to this end he has invested in a brand new pellet making equipment and factory and the Milbro Metisse is a sort of flag waving exersize to state what the company is planning and capable of.whatever this rifles called it does look well made but in its current form i just can't see it selling that well for a start the stock with the window and milbro looking out looks rubbish the name hardly inspires quality the name has been used on some pretty rubbish stuff the for last 40 odd years or so,
the 2 shot shuttle system is naff on an airgun of this quality its been tried before on the rws rapier and webley raider admittebly the latter was pretty sh#te but they both just did not sell well and both guns were eventually made into to multishots, i think at this cost most airgunners would want a full multishot option,
i just dont get the C02 option C02 guns just never work correctly and its an unreliable power source,
what market is the rifle ment to be in hunter/target/field target etc,
but above all the name milbro on it will hold it back just look what happend to mayer & grammelspacher aka (Diana) when the british nicked its name on put it on some pretty cr@p airguns the german Dianas still suffers the stigma to this day
Dave.
You are also correct that the rifle is not for everyone, the whole thing has been made with no expense spared and will be made in very small numbers, most of them probably going to the States.
Its a hunting rifle as far as I am concerned and does not have a mag because of the coaxial valve design with no probe will not easily allow one, however you always have an instant second shot so its not quite as slow as a single shot rifle.
In the past Milbro was in the Daisy end of the market, its not "rubbish" just low cost fun stuff for kids, dont knock it, these products get kids interested in shooting in the first place and as they get older they gravitate to the sort of gear WE use and call "quality"
Ben
Forgot to say about C02, I have a method to use only dry REGULATED C02 gas at low pressure (lower than it goes in the winter) which is stable and gives a vast shot count and stable volocity regardless of temperature.whatever this rifles called it does look well made but in its current form i just can't see it selling that well for a start the stock with the window and milbro looking out looks rubbish the name hardly inspires quality the name has been used on some pretty rubbish stuff the for last 40 odd years or so,
the 2 shot shuttle system is naff on an airgun of this quality its been tried before on the rws rapier and webley raider admittebly the latter was pretty sh#te but they both just did not sell well and both guns were eventually made into to multishots, i think at this cost most airgunners would want a full multishot option,
i just dont get the C02 option C02 guns just never work correctly and its an unreliable power source,
what market is the rifle ment to be in hunter/target/field target etc,
but above all the name milbro on it will hold it back just look what happend to mayer & grammelspacher aka (Diana) when the british nicked its name on put it on some pretty cr@p airguns the german Dianas still suffers the stigma to this day
Dave.
This is only possible because of the coaxial valve having such a high flow rate and a massive amount of regulated volume and unrestricted valve access.
Again its not for everyone but 1000 plus shots between fills............................
Ben
Hi Dave, you have understood exactly what David Little, who owns Milbro, is trying to do with the Milbro brand. He is trying to move away from the "budget" end of the market, to this end he has invested in a brand new pellet making equipment and factory and the Milbro Metisse is a sort of flag waving exersize to state what the company is planning and capable of.
You are also correct that the rifle is not for everyone, the whole thing has been made with no expense spared and will be made in very small numbers, most of them probably going to the States.
Its a hunting rifle as far as I am concerned and does not have a mag because of the coaxial valve design with no probe will not easily allow one, however you always have an instant second shot so its not quite as slow as a single shot rifle.
In the past Milbro was in the Daisy end of the market, its not "rubbish" just low cost fun stuff for kids, dont knock it, these products get kids interested in shooting in the first place and as they get older they gravitate to the sort of gear WE use and call "quality"
Ben
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