crossman ratty.

[nikko sterling]

hi thinkin of getting a crossman ratcatcher for my lad my t10 is to big heavy for him at the moment, now is it classed as a pistol or is it a riffle, and what is the stanard power it produces ,ft per lb or per sec, any info on these would me great thanks,

[eyebull]

The ratty is a rifle as it has a fixed stock.
Expect 7 to 9-and-a-bit ft/lbs out of the box depending on pellet, temperature, leaks etc. They really need money and time spent on them to get the most out of them.
How old is your lad? A junior springer may be an easier/better option.

[nikko sterling]

the boy is nearly 10, want something small and light for him to handle, what is the most ft,lb got out of one of these legaly. with little modification.

[TonyL]

Hi,
The Ratcatcher is a rifle.
Nice and light and easy to handle and use.
It does need modding to get the best out of it. The steel breeches offered by a few companies is the first and most important mod.
You can get the power approaching 12 ft.lbs, if required, but watch what you're doing, as CO2 guns are temperature sensitive, so you really want to be aiming at no more than 11.5 ft.lbs ABSOLUTE MAX IN WARM CONDITIONS WITH THE MOST EFFICIENT PELLET.
Have a good look on the G-Mac/SD Custom Designs sites for parts/tuning goodies. Also worth having a look on Terry Robb's site for advice/tuning etc. There's a huge modding community in existence for these underrated little guns. Stacks of American sites to look on.
As one of the other guys has mentioned, it's very easy to get carried away with the money spend on these. For some, this can be part of the fun; for others it might be worth looking at a quality springer, like a Weihrauch HW30S...superb quality, brilliant trigger, very, very accurate. Always sought after as a part exchange for the future, although its endearing nature means it will probably be a long term keeper.
Hope this helps,
Tone.

[nikko sterling]

cheers for the info so far, but is it available in 177 and 22, flavour. and which would be better for target shooting. as far as spending money on it, good birthday and xmas gifts i reckon, the lad loves guns and shooting, just like his old man i suppose,

[gurnster75]

.22 as standard, you can convert to .177 but the power drops, so to get the power back up takes a lot more CO2 per shot so you'll be going through lots of bulbs.

[nikko sterling]

ah ok like pcp, whereas better accuracy with 177, also uses more air, but a much straiter projectory than 22, but not standard issue, never mind i can live with that,

[Atlantia]

Newbie question: I've seen pictures of these (while trawling the net) with nice wood pistol grips instead of the plastic skeleton stock. Would that affect their legal status in the UK if they are more than 6ft/lb out of the box?

[eyebull]

Short answer, Yes. Which is probably why my 2250 stock was attached with anti-tamper screws.
If you want a pistol then just get a 2240.

[Jim McArthur]

The ratty is a rifle as it has a fixed stock.

Is that the criterion used? Or is it the overall and barrel lengths, as is the case with cartridge guns?

[norca]

ive asked this q about shots etc and the answer is the same whether 22 or 177 the co2 valve is the same size so you would get the same shot count the only diff is the 22 is more efficient on the power

[gurnster75]

shots etc and the answer is the same whether 22 or 177 the co2 valve is the same size so you would get the same shot count

Yes the shot count is the same but in .177 the power is greatly reduced, if you want to up the power to the standard .22 power then it's going to involve mods and more CO2 usage, unless you use a longer barrel which will up the power without extra CO2 useage.

[norca]

Yes the shot count is the same but in .177 the power is greatly reduced, if you want to up the power to the standard .22 power then it's going to involve mods and more CO2 usage, unless you use a longer barrel which will up the power without extra CO2 useage.

this is true dangers come when you mod the gun with stuff to get the power up in 177 to near limmits then change back to 22 i was talking of course to the standard set up

[eyebull]

Is that the criterion used? Or is it the overall and barrel lengths, as is the case with cartridge guns?

There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast definition for airguns, more a general common sense rule of whether or not it can be fired practically at arms length or if it is 'stocked'. It's true that any rifle could be taken out of it's stock, but most would be very difficult to use it in this way - however with the 2250 when you take the stock off you are left with a pistol grip and it could be considered a long barreled pistol.

[Jim McArthur]

There doesn't seem to be a hard and fast definition for airguns, more a general common sense rule of whether or not it can be fired practically at arms length or if it is 'stocked'. It's true that any rifle could be taken out of it's stock, but most would be very difficult to use it in this way - however with the 2250 when you take the stock off you are left with a pistol grip and it could be considered a long barreled pistol.

This could be an important issue: given the legal distinction between the 6 fpe limits for air pistols, vs. the 12 fpe limits for air rifles.

Jim