Webley Tempest

[Kevin76]

Hi folks,
I am new to air gun shooting and have just found this wonderful forum ;-)

I own a webley tempest and am getting quite handy with it now,
Recon I can hit a reasonable group at aprox 10m.
Happy with the pistol, it feels right and shoots well, I have always preferred a pistol over a rifle.

Now then, I bought the pistol due to pest problems at my workshop.
I've managed to control the pests, but the problem is, I expected a little more power from the pistol.
A friend suggested I am using rubbish pellets, currently using nickerman .22 magnum point.

So my question is,
Which pellets should I use for
A, accuracy for target practice
B, pest control (I.e. good penetrative impact for a humane kill)

Thanks folks

[Rob M]

OK...

First of all, you will get into trouble for discussing shooting live quarry of any type with pistols here, the general consensus is that pistols are not accurate or powerful enough for humane kills, important even for vermin.

I love Tempests, own a lot of Webleys, and really enjoy them. I lubricate mine with Moly grease and Moly GN Paste, and only wipe over with oil. If you do the same you will find it gets more enjoyable to shoot, smoother and with GN Paste on the trigger parts the trigger will also improve. You may find power improves a little too.

Finally, give Milbro Caledonian Ultras a try, they're good pellets and have assumed the place that we all used to allocate to the original and best Ely Wasps, in my opinion any way.

[hwtyger]

I use either JSB Exact or FTT in mine, or match flatheads.
Depending on whats most accurate.

[Kevin76]

Thanks guys.
Didn't realise Shooting pests with a pistol was taboo.
Sorry about that.

Guess I'm going to need a rifle then

[Rob M]

No problem Kevin, you're welcome! It's nice to see someone discussing proper pistols on here for a change instead of HW45s and Co2 powered stuff!

[Jim McArthur]

Yes, air pistols as air pistols and not as copies of cartridge pistols.

Jim

[Kevin76]

Very funny! I fire the real stuff when I'm in the US.
I like my air pistol to be an air pistol! And a very nice, well balanced gun it is too!
I like a good old fashioned springer as well.

Surprisingly accurate as well.

[queens_own]

I would like those of you who believe that a 'real' airgun is one powered by a spring as opposed to one containing compressed air/gas, to look up airguns using compressed air... they will find that they are almost as old or older than the spring versions, compressed air/gas airguns have a long history and have a place in todays airgun lineup no matter what they look like, I have both and enjoy both and can honestly say that I get most enjoyment from shooting a SMK S3 that I have worked on and now produces 20mm groups at 7-10 yds, although those with real airguns will probably puke up at the mention of SMK.
Its all in the eye of the beholder.
Ken

[beagle2]

This is an interesting subject what is an airgun it must be a gun that uses air as a propellent using ether a spring or a pump to compress it I prefer the spring type as it gives you more of a feeling that you have done something when you pull the trigger.

We then get on to the C02 guns I would include in this category airsoft guns that mostly work on Butane gas and are for the most part not as powerful as C02 but hay they are both gas guns and you could also say that air is a gas so in fact all of them are correctly referred to as gas guns.

[Kevin76]

I said real stuff meaning a glock 9mm I have at a range in Miami. (sister stays there and I go out quite a bit)

By meaning I like my air gun to look like an air gun, I mean not pretending to be something it isn't.

I prefer a springer, but tbh I don't care what a gun is powered by

[mrto]

I am sure the 9mm Glock has enough power for clean kills on vermin.

[Rob M]

I would like those of you who believe that a 'real' airgun is one powered by a spring as opposed to one containing compressed air/gas, ...
Its all in the eye of the beholder.
Ken

Ken, having been into airguns for over thirty years and read many books on the subject, I'm well aware you're right, the history of Co2/compressed air guns is long and interesting. My dig at the sort of pistols commonly discussed in here, compared to the Tempest, is that often they're cheap monkey-metal lookalikes of real guns, and don't have anything like the build quality of something like a Webley Tempest, not that they're not 'real' airguns. For me personally, these modern real-pistol-lookalike Co2 guns just don't have what it takes to endear them to me, if it's what other people like then fine.

[beagle2]

This is a bit of a dilemma for me the thing that I most like about the old webley and other makes of pistols is that they are made of proper metal steel etc as is used in powder burning guns.

I must say I that I do like some of the look alike type guns but the problem seems to be that the powers that be are so worried that people will try to convert them to fire live cartridges that they end up having to be made of pot mettle and not steel as they used to do.

I have said before that I have always wanted a nice revolver and probably the best that we can get at the present time is the Dan Wesson guns and at least they are all metal but hardly made to last as the old Webleys was of steel if you was to drop a steel gun the sights may get bent but it would not be to hard to fix but if you was to drop a pot metal gun the chances are that it would brake.

[Rob M]

This is a bit of a dilemma for me the thing that I most like about the old webley and other makes of pistols is that they are made of proper metal steel etc as is used in powder burning guns.

I must say I that I do like some of the look alike type guns but the problem seems to be that the powers that be are so worried that people will try to convert them to fire live cartridges that they end up having to be made of pot mettle and not steel as they used to do.

Exactly, one of the things I love about the old Premier and Senior (and to a slightly lesser extent about the alloy/steel Webleys like the Tempest and Hurricane) is that, being steel, if looked after, they will still be functional decades from now, whereas the pot-metal Co2 guns will be lucky to exist as ornaments, if at all. I don't think they're made out of monkey-metal to make them hard to convert into live-firers, it's just that they're made as cheaply as possible, and that is something I dislike.

[Jim McArthur]

The real-steel lookalikes have their niche. I own a few, and use them in the UBC comps. I must admit that I prefer the look of an airgun-looking airgun (like the old Webley springers). But the multi-shot CO2 guns have their niche too.