You say "The OP claims 1949 deaths in the years 2010/11 through the illegal use of firearms. "
but the figures in the orginal posts says
"The OP claims 1949 deaths and injuries in the years 2010/11 through the illegal use of firearms. "
that is why you don't agree with his figures you misread them
The anti-gun brigade always like to point to the US and the high crime and murder rates there correlated with the high level of gun ownership there. But across the border in Canada, they have a very low murder and violent crime rate and gun ownership dwarfs even that of the US. Hell, most houses in Switzerland contain assault rifles, yet its one of the safest places to live in.the.world.
Gun crime is only loosely linked to gun ownership rates. Its more about a culture of criminal violence than anything else.
it seems that whatever laws have been introduced, they have not improved the situation that for shaw.
and innocent law abiding people who own guns and use them within the law are penalised for it and the easy target for politicians, police forces and the general public.
Perhaps the police should be better at controlling the black market in gun movements, as this is where the real police work is, not with all the red tape for poor old law abiding shooters
Four things happened that increased the number of illegal guns in the UK.
1) The USSR imploded on itself - Result - Lots of poor people with access to saleable guns.
2) Northern Ireland found peace - Result - Lots of people who previously had a lot of power when they had a cause wanted to keep the standard of living they had become used to equals lots of saleable guns. Why do you think they never agreed to decommision all the weapons? Worth too much money perchance?
3) Eastern European countries allowed into EU - Lots of poor people with access to saleable guns with the added bonus of free movement of people and goods across borders.
4) It became fashionable to be a W****R (sorry I meant Gangsta). Disaffected kids living on sink estates with no future feel empowered by by a 9Millie in the waistband.
I do believe that none of the above situations was caused by anyone in Britain who wanted to do a bit of pest control or put some free range organic meat on the table.
Please feel free to agree/ disagree/discus.
Off my soap box now.
And now we are having (again) the same arguement in the USA (again). I can see both sides of the arguement but where do you go when there is also an armed civilian vigilante (security guard) who walks away from a death whilst patrolling a housing estate. Supposedly the man would not do as he was told. Do we really want to go down that road??.
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The recent business in the USA is going to have yet another negitive effect on legal gun use here.
The media need to realise that the USA is not Britain we don't go around armed do we !! American history is not our history.
Well we didn't have gun crime as such till all these 'visitors arrived'.
What happened to your traditional armed robbery with a sawn off shotgun
I don't remember calls for banning shotguns then .
Now we have armed police which is not what you want to see when going shopping in Chester or any other civilised city.
Trouble is they wont go away as life is too good here with standards fought for politically by British People over the years since the Norman Yoke was plonked on our shoulders
Just as well I won't be around in 50 years time but my heart goes out to our children, what sort of society will they have.
It's not what our soldiers and citizens fought and died for in the 20th century is it !
Heavens I'm getting grumpy
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My son came back from the gym the other day and told me that someone had left a full shotgun cartridge belt hung up and left unattended. It amazes me that somebody with such a low IQ could get a shotgun license, it honestly makes me laugh out loud!
Speeding with a car is VASTLY more of a risc than owning a gun. Just do the maths on the extra Joules.
A gun furthermore is diametrically different form a car in that a gun is perceived as dangerous wherras cars are not hence the useres are fundamentally treating them differently. Cras ´provoke´ risc behaviour, guns the contrary.
Me, I have raced anything on wheels for 23 years and don´t speed on the open road; if anything I am a moving road block únder the max. The max is after all just thát; a maximum and it is ok to go a bit slower. I strongly objet to speeding motorist overtaking as those are fáctually endangering the occupants of the overtaken car.
The weight of acar x speed = adn véry few drivers are capable of controlling their vehicle if shit happens. I am yet don´t speed but I would want a live fire arm to be able to defend the home/family as law enforcement doesn´t.
Attempting to deminish crime by banning guns is like ditto drunk driving by making it more difficult for sober people to obtain a driver´s license.
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